Hilarious things that Guardian readers and other so-called Leftists think

Moral relativism: The Guardianista's particular brand of moral relativism is based around the idea that morality is nothing more than cultural traditions that the collective has inherited and is never derived from reasoned ethics considered by individuals, with intelligence and good education largely dictating their ability to come to cogent conclusions. Whilst thinking this, they continuously criticize British culture. But surely, if it's "just our culture", then that makes it OK? I mean that's why they think it's OK for women to have to veil themselves in Muslim countries, right, because it's "just their culture, man"?

Rape culture: Following on from the last point, if we really are living in a "rape culture" then doesn't cultural relativism tell us that rape is just A-OK, because it's just an accepted part of the culture? I mean, that's what "rape culture" means isn't it? That rape is considered acceptable? Or is it that it has no meaning whatsoever? Is it that they use the term to describe anything that men do that they don't like, and then anyone who disputes them can be condemned as a "rape culture apologist", which sounds as if it's just one step away from a "rape apologist"?

Islamophobia: It is absolutely, totally wrong to vilify people who follow an ultra-conservative ideology called Islam. However, it's fine to refer to the centre-right conservatives of this country as "Tory scum".

Cultural appropriation: The idea that cultures should never mix or imitate each other.

The exploitation of women: You can consider everything in life as exploitation. As Nietzsche said, all life, no matter how we idealize it, is nothing more nor less than exploitation. Generally though, when we talk about someone being exploited, we mean people are getting something out of them against their intentions. However, those who ride on the right-on like to use the term as it exists in its most broad and empty sense, while using it as if it's penetrating. Rather like "piece of meat" or "sex object", it's brazen hyperbole that's pretty empty when you actually think about it. Of course, if they are talking about trafficked women, then I'm totally on their side; that is using the term in an incisive manner. But 99% of the time they're talking about the "exploitation" of highly paid models who very much enjoy working for the likes of Playboy or other men's magazines, highly paid actresses, or paid porn stars who often think of their shagging abilities as an art and have their own award shows to celebrate their, ahem, "unappreciated" talents.

There's no such thing as "reverse racism": We all know that Guardianistas love their straw-men even more than those weird Scottish folk in The Wicker Man, but this has to be the most extraordinary dialogue against a straw-man that they have ever attempted. No one, ever, complained about "reverse racism". What they may have complained about is just "racism". Because racism just and only means prejudice against a race. It says nothing about whether the prejudice is justified or not.

White insensitivity: It is completely abhorrent for white British people to deny or disregard the opinions of people of other ethnic backgrounds on the cultures they are from.

(Unless its Maajid Nawaz, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Salman Rushdie or in fact anyone who isn't on-board with their cause.)

Feminist choice: Women should be free to choose what they want to do, unless it's anything that feminists don't like.

Sexual objectification: The idea that when a man gains sexual gratification by looking at a woman it becomes impossible for him to think of her as anything more than an object. This is due to the fact that he is only looking at her to enjoy her sexuality. Not only that, the fact that women are more sexualized than men stops him from thinking of all women as anything more than objects.

If the only women he ever saw were in images in Playboy, then this would make sense. But women make up half the population and we all have mothers, daughters, nieces, sisters and wives. As it stands, saying that sexualized images of women makes men think of them as sex objects is equivalent to saying that when you watch football you are only able to think of the players as football playing machines, and are unable to comprehend that they are actually human beings with their own lives. But not only that, it's also like saying that because their is vastly more public interest in watching men playing football than women, that means that any women who watches football must think that all men are football playing machines.

Good and evil isn't black and white: According to your average fully paid up Guardian reader, everyone has good in them. The idea that people can be good or evil comes from outdated Christian or right-wing ideas. No one is truly evil, except:
Israelis
Bankers
Rupert Murdoch
Disney
CEOs of multinational companies
Zionists
Fox News
Men's Rights Activists
Fundamentalist Christians
The Daily Telegraph
Pro-lifers
Tea Party supporters
Sky News
The Tories
The Republican Party
The Sun
UKIP
Pornographers
Islamophobes
Men's magazines
The Daily Mail
Libertarians
Conservatives
Capitalists
Global warming deniers
"Lads"
Homophobes
White supremacists (unless from an impoverished background)
Mothers who choose to stay at home
UKIP
Non-organic farmers
Grammar school students and teachers
Private school students and teachers
SUV drivers
Oil companies
Gun owners

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Reply 1

Plagioclase

Do you feel better now?

There are so many generalisations, simplifications and misrepresentations here that I wouldn't even know where to start.

Reply 2

h8skoooooool

You sound like a very sad and close-minded person. May I ask what was the purpose of this thread?

Reply 3

queen-bee

Hmm I see hints of racism and a feeling of dislike/resentment towards Muslims/ethnic minorities in your OP.

Reply 4

Studentus-anonymous

Original post by KingBradly

*stuff*

TL;DR = The Guardian is basically the flipside of the Daily Mail coin.

This we all know. When you engage in Left or Right politics no-one wins, because you just become a parody.

Take the road less travelled, take the centre.

You took your time to write all of that? Dayuum *Slow clap*

Fox news

are

crazy

Original post by queen-bee

Hmm I see hints of racism and a feeling of dislike/resentment towards Muslims/ethnic minorities in your OP.

Ah here's another good one. Anyone who isn't down with the fully paid up Guardian reader club is a racist. A brilliant way to make yourself feel even more righteous.

Reply 9

KingBradly

Original post by ImNotReallyMe

Fox news

are

crazy

Yep. I'm not saying they aren't. Just highlighting contradiction where I see it.

Reply 10

KingBradly

Original post by Studentus-anonymous

I'm not right at all. I just think the left have become hilariously absurd. I'm a liberal centrist.

Reply 11

KingBradly

Original post by h8skoooooool

You sound like a very sad and close-minded person. May I ask what was the purpose of this thread?

You do realise that "close-minded" isn't just a synonym for "someone who doesn't like the left"? You do realise that many leftists are the most close-minded people imaginable?

Reply 12

KingBradly

Original post by Plagioclase

Do you feel better now?

There are so many generalisations, simplifications and misrepresentations here that I wouldn't even know where to start.

Is there any stance on here which I've pointed out that you don't hold?

Reply 13

BRING BACK MHOC

As a left-wing Guardianista around 80% of this is utter bull**** :lol:

Reply 14

United1892

Original post by KingBradly

Is there any stance on here which I've pointed out that you don't hold?

As a guardian reader, literally everything there.

Reply 15

Plagioclase

Original post by KingBradly

Is there any stance on here which I've pointed out that you don't hold?

I don't have time to go through every one of the things you mentioned in your original post. But for starters, like most people complaining about feminism, you've taken the views of very extreme feminists and generalised that across the entire movement. I'm not entirely sure what feminist literature you've been reading but most people who seriously care about feminism have bigger things to worry about than highly paid actors and pornography. A massive simplification of feminism.

On a similar note, you're confusing tolerance with blind acceptance. Being tolerant of other faiths is not the same thing as blindly accepting anything and everything that flies in the face of common sense. It is completely possible to be perfectly tolerant of Muslims whilst opposing Muslim extremism. Regarding "white insensitivity" - it is abhorrent for people to disregard or deny the opinions of others because they're from a different background. That doesn't mean that you can't disregard or deny the opinions of someone from a different background because you don't think it's an acceptable view to have. I don't agree with the use of capital punishment in Saudi Arabia not because they're foreign, but because I think it's morally abhorrent.

Regarding your big list of bad groups... with some exceptions, yes, I think there's a very strong moral case that most of those groups are not forces for good. Once again, you've built up a false dichotomy. It is completely possible to believe that people have good in them whilst acknowledging that there are groups that have a net negative social effect. There's no contradiction there.

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Reply 16

Olie

Original post by Plagioclase

Do you feel better now?

There are so many generalisations, simplifications and misrepresentations here that I wouldn't even know where to start.

Indeed.

Reply 17

scrotgrot

I think you mean Guardian columnists, I'd say 90% of the readers expressing an opinion think all that stuff is bull**** too.

The fact that all they have to cleave to is the Guardian, a Liberal newspaper, shows the bleakness of the landscape that exists on the left. For the left-wing media to expand you need people to be employed in unfulfilling repetitive jobs with no carrots like promotion or home ownership so they develop a class consciousness.

spot on

degenerates

Original post by KingBradly

You do realise that "close-minded" isn't just a synonym for "someone who doesn't like the left"? You do realise that many leftists are the most close-minded people imaginable?

No, it isn't at all. It means that you've head your head buried in the Daily Mail for so long that you can no longer think independently, and therefore anything you hear that is conflicting with a traditional right-wing opinion is deemed to be false leftist propaganda.

You call the left-wing 'absurb' yet I'd say that everything in your OP is extremely laughable - how many leftists have you spoken to that actually hold these opinions?