Independent: The Prophet Mohammed had British values

Your assertions are quite off target in the sense that Christianity (New Testament only kind) is a religion that is already more suited to secularism, just like the faiths of Buddhism or Sikhism.

It's not a question of secularism mocking, satirising or humbling the crap out of anything, but more so, that the nature of Christianity allows this to happen.



As your argument seems to stem from the premise made above ("Christianity is more amenable to secularist principles", this follow-on argument is again incorrect.

You also seem to have conflated the secularism with a propagation of inalienable rights, unseemly understanding what either concepts entail.

I'm not a coward, I just know I will be banned and even reported to the police for stating the rules of my faith. at least I've defended my religion from ganging-up of you lot. Which is something I can't say for others.

So are you able to provide a coherent argument, in defense of your position, this time around?

You won't be banned for stating the rules of your religion; that is nonsense. You can't have much confidence that it isn't a hateful religion if you think that.

I was going to mention this; I doubt the notion of satire was the most significant thing to make Christianity change rather than any kind of inherent nature of the religion itself.

No I think the rules are wrong here, and I'm pretty sure another user had told me about the fact that talk of apostasy laws can get you banned.

I think the ignorance and shallowness of TSRians toward Islam leads them to reporting such posts.

The religion, as written, hasn't changed. What has happened with Judaism and Christianity is that their adherents have lived in Europe and gone through centuries of enlightenment, reformation and exposure to scientific education. People have gradually got used to the fact that the old superstitions no longer represent an absolute truth. This has accelerated through the twentieth century to the extent that Europe is now largely secular, with no true religious belief that isn't just habit and fear of leaving it.

Islam, on the other hand, has been stuck in the seventh century, partly because of the nature of the Koran, and partly because of the lack of education and wealth in Asia (and the Arab world specifically).

This difference is being brought into sharp focus because Islam is rubbing up against the western democracies more and more since the discovery of oil and 1948, and by immigration from the Indian sub-continent to Europe.

The main western exception is the USA, where many of its immigrants held extreme religious beliefs and, indeed, migrated because they were no longer acceptable in a developing Europe. These people have given the USA a continuing legacy of superstitious backwardness in an otherwise advanced country.

No I think the rules are wrong here, and I'm pretty sure another user had told me about the fact that talk of apostasy laws can get you banned.

I think the ignorance and shallowness of TSRians toward Islam leads them to reporting such posts.

I'm not a coward, I just know I will be banned and even reported to the police for stating the rules of my faith. at least I've defended my religion from ganging-up of you lot. Which is something I can't say for others.

No, I agree with this, I'm just unsure if satire would take much credit in it's ability for making 'Christianity what it is today' (to paraphrase the first point). The adherents, however, like you say, have gone through thoughts periods of progression to fit in to society of the 21st Century and whatnot.

Will Islam do the same in a century? Only time will tell...

"You have already rated a post by this user recently!" :-(

But you've not defendend anything

you don't have the courage to actually say you support the murder of people who leave islam

The world would be a far better place if it were illegal to teach, train or indoctrinate anyone under the age of eighteen in or about any religion in any publicly-funded establishment, including any registered charity. The demise of religion would probably be hastened, too.

Actually for the 6 years I've been on TSR, I have argued that the Islamic punishment for apostasy is stoning. I didn't have a problem with it until I posted about the topic a month or so ago.

Here is the last post that I made stating that the Islamic punishment for apostasy is stoning/death :

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3340279&page=363&highlight=&p=59964159#post59964159

So I've said it before, but another Muslim TSRian had told me that I would get banned for it. So I stopped posting about this topic since.

In my view pushing religion underground into private faith schools will only encourage insularity among religious parents and radicalise remaining Christian kids.

Do you actually agree with this punishment? And if yes, would you consider yourself a moderate Muslim ?

I'm not a coward, I just know I will be banned and even reported to the police for stating the rules of my faith. at least I've defended my religion

Do you think that it is unreasonable to be criticised for calling for the brutal execution of people, simply because they are in a loving, consensual, adult relationship?
Or for the execution of apostates?
Or the persecution of homosexuals?

Do you think that laws against incitement to violence are wrong?

I do because disagreeing with it would question whether I'm actually in this faith. Who am I to disagree with God's commandments, or you>?

I don't believe in media created labels such as 'moderate' or 'extreme'. We have a different understanding of those words.