Do you agree with the death penalty?

I think you'd feel different if your child was raped, or your mother murdered. People who do these inhumane act are not punished. students can tell a head to f off and little consequences - this world is becoming so relaxed on negative behaviour

Feel free to disagree with the facts. It is true that much crime is committed by folks without mental illness. However I find it rather alarming that 10% of men and 30% of women have had a previous psychiatric admission before they entered prison. That is staggering when you compare it against the number of people who have been admitted for psychiatric treatment in the population as a whole.

http://www.prisonreformtrust.org.uk/projectsresearch/mentalhealth

Firstly, I don't see how either of those events would lead me to believe evidence is more accurate than it actually is. Not sure what that's got to do with it.
Secondly, what possible good would it do me if the offender was killed? It would bring back my mother or remove the trauma my child went through and I'm not really the sort of person who would get enjoyment/satisfaction knowing that a person, no matter how evil, was killed.

I suppose, having our own opinions make the world a more interesting place eh

You're giving these terrible people excuses for their crimes. They may not be evil as an individual, but the crime they commit certainly is and therefore, they have an element of it within them.

I completely disagree with your points that all criminals are mentally ill. You make it seem as though they didn't know what they were doing, when most of the time, that's not the case. They know exactly what they're doing, which is why some call the police immediately and hand themselves in or they try to cover up the crime and wait for the evidence to catch up to them. I understand people kill for different reasons and that's why I've said that some people have 'special' circumstances whereby they were not of sound mind or if the victim had done something terrible to them or their loved ones, but that is not true for everyone & especially not for serial offenders

Take your example of your mental issues. You said you had an outburst and became very angry at one point in your life. I get that, but that emotional pain you were feeling doesn't last forever (particularly if you do seek help) and so it cannot account for a serial offender. Most serial offenders commit the same crime over a period of years, they spread it out. The people who are seriously mentally ill like you mentioned tend to hurt themselves or threaten to hurt themselves/ people they know as opposed to innocent people on the street. You're right about the last point. We're not perfect, and I'll never make myself out to be perfect, but there's a big difference between me making a small boo boo compared to me going out and deciding I don't like Wednesday's so I'm gonna murder and rape a number of people

If you feel they would deserve death, do so yourself and dont hide behind the state.

It is not for the state to impose what punishments it feels they deserve, but to protect all of its citizens.

Why would I do that? So that I can be sentenced to 25+ years? There's some matters you can't just take into your own hands because of he consequences, and this is one.

Abolishing/ incapacitating serial killers forever is 100% effective in protecting its citizens. There's no guarantee that they'll be a different person once they've served their time.

So why do expect the state to murder on your behalf?

Killing seriel killers are still citizens. And while killing them might stop them fron killing again, there are better ways to stop future crimes by others.

Why would I do that? So that I can be sentenced to 25+ years? There's some matters you can't just take into your own hands because of he consequences, and this is one.

Abolishing/ incapacitating serial killers forever is 100% effective in protecting its citizens. There's no guarantee that they'll be a different person once they've served their time.

I'm so disappointed I wasted a few seconds of my life reading that nonsense


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if we aren't prepared to do something ourselves then we shouldn't want others to do it either. are you saying that if there were no consequences for killing a serial killer you'd kill them?

the reason most don't change after they've done their time is because they were in prison and had no substantial support. transform prisons into hospitals with drs who genuinely care and we'd see a significant change in criminal behaviour after the patients are out.

I support it, for those who are categorically incompatible with society, despite attempts at rehabilitation.

The taxpayer shouldn't have to fund the unnecessary prolonged longevity of criminals' lives. Prisons have limited capacity, and our resources should be expended upon rehabilitating people who are capable of reintegrating into society—not quarantining the leeches of mankind. Plus, if they're dead, you don't run the risk of them potentially escaping or repeat offending once/if they're released.

we should rly take a long hard look at the concepts of innocence and evil. no human is absolutely innocent and no human is absolutely evil. when we start shining the 'judgement light' around we'll see lots of dirty hands, especially from those who condone capital punishment or any other form of violence. under the right circumstances ANY ONE OF US could commit atrocious acts. there are so many factors that contribute to a human being's experience of themselves.

those of us who murder or commit any other violent act have an acute level of accumulated emotional pain. the more emotional we are, the less rational we are = the more mentally ill/imbalanced we are. there are degrees of mental illness/imbalance in all of us. ego is inseparable from mental illness/imbalance. all of us are mentally ill/imbalanced to some extent because all of us have an ego/mind to some degree.

so yeah stop it

Okay, so if you saw someone viciously attack an innocent passer by or even someone you know, would you handcuff that person and set up a jail within your home and lock them up there? I mean we can all agree that we want that individual to be punished, but it is not within our rights to do that, the law prevents us and we risk being sent to jail ourselves if we were to take matters into our own hands like that. We are not a figure of authority, but that's not to say that they shouldn't be punished. If we were to witness such a crime, were told not to approach that person, and to call emergency services so that they can deal with it themselves.

& about what you said, perhaps that would work for one time offenders, or for people who commit minor offences. We all make mistakes and if we do something seriously wrong (not necessarily illegal) we probably won't do it again. We may do it accidentally/subconsciously but that is not the same for something like murder. You can't accidentally kill a number of people.

If a completely sane person were to murder my loved ones and I had the opportunity to kill them, I'd be seriously tempted. Ive no idea if I would actually do it, but I don't see a reason why they should get to continue to live if they've unlawfully terminated the lives of others

Will a 25yr prison sentence bring back the victim?

no, i wouldn't want to punish them. punishment is immoral and solves nothing. it implies that the punisher is superior to the one who is being punished when they're not. anyone who is prepared to punish another does so to fuel their ego. you can't know what a murderer experiences because you've not murdered anyone. it takes an extreme level of emotional imbalance to hurt another. naturally we are peaceful beings. look at young children. violence is a systemic problem and must be solved in actual, physical reality, so that those who are mentally ill have a chance to help themselves out of their minds. prisons do nothing but exacerbate the problem. punishment does nothing but validate ego. prisons need to become hospitals and criminals need to become patients.

'figure of authority' also implies superiority and inferiority. no one is more or less than another.

i demonstrated above why completely sane people can't murder others. completely sane people have no desire to cause harm to anyone. if we have in us the desire to hurt others, we're mentally ill. simple as that. it doesn't matter if we'd do it or not; we are, to a degree, mentally imbalanced and a harm to others. in a perfect world there'd be no judgement. a perfect world starts with the individual. we have to be the change we wish to see else an eye for an eye will eventually make the whole world blind.

Sure, but I can't say I'm too thrilled that so many people not only would take pleasure from the killing of a human being, but don't feel any unease or guilt over it - rather, they feel it is a just thing to do. Could you please try to explain just what it is about human death that satisfies you so much?