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please can someone guide me through how to do this? I have no idea :frown:
Any help will be much apprecaited. Thanks in advance to anyone does help !

Question:
the lifetime of an electrical component may be modelled by a normal distribution, X, which means 2500 hours and variance 900 hours 2. Find the value of P(X>a)=0.8

Ive started off kinda :/
Mean= 2500
Variance = 900^2

X~N(2500 , 900^2)
P(X > a) = 0.8
??

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Reply 1
Original post by Aty100
please can someone guide me through how to do this? I have no idea :frown:
Any help will be much apprecaited. Thanks in advance to anyone does help !

Question:
the lifetime of an electrical component may be modelled by a normal distribution, X, which means 2500 hours and variance 900 hours 2. Find the value of P(X>a)=0.8

Ive started off kinda :/
Mean= 2500
Variance = 900^2

X~N(2500 , 900^2)
P(X > a) = 0.8
??


Variance is 900 not 9002
Reply 2
Original post by Aty100
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As per TeeEm, the normal distribution is set out like: X ~ N(mean, variance) or X ~ N(mean, standard deviation^2)

So what you have is X ~ N(2500, 900) - second, convert this into a standardised z-value thingy.
Reply 3
Original post by TeeEm
Variance is 900 not 9002


Oh yah sorry 😁
Reply 4
Original post by TeeEm
Variance is 900 not 9002


If you don't mind would you be able to assist me on what do next?
I'm assuming that I should look at the table of normal distribution functions and look for the value of 0.8 ??
Reply 5
Original post by Aty100
If you don't mind would you be able to assist me on what do next?
I'm assuming that I should look at the table of normal distribution functions and look for the value of 0.8 ??


page 23 onwards
http://madasmaths.com/archive/maths_booklets/statistics/normal_distribution_calculations.pdf
Reply 6


Hey thanks

I alway get confused on this bit:

You see in the attachment how does the 0.95 become -1.645??
Reply 7
Original post by Aty100
Hey thanks

I alway get confused on this bit:

You see in the attachment how does the 0.95 become -1.645??


You do 1-0.95 which is 0.05. The z value for 0.05 is 1.6449. Because what you're looking for is on the left hand side, the value is negative.
Reply 8
Original post by Aty100
Hey thanks

I alway get confused on this bit:

You see in the attachment how does the 0.95 become -1.645??


look at the normal tables backwards

you are inverting probability of 0.95

(the minus is because the "cut" is on the left of the mean)
Reply 9
Original post by TeeEm
look at the normal tables backwards

you are inverting probability of 0.95

(the minus is because the "cut" is on the left of the mean)


Original post by mk_98
You do 1-0.95 which is 0.05. The z value for 0.05 is 1.6449. Because what you're looking for is on the left hand side, the value is negative.


Guys can you check this :/ :frown:
Thanks for your help! :smile:
Reply 10
Original post by Aty100
Guys can you check this :/ :frown:
Thanks for your help! :smile:


the is no INVERSE PHI of 0.2 in standard tables

you only do 1 minus if you are inverting probabilities under 0.5

however this self corrects since INVERSE PHI of 0.8 is indeed 0.8416

the issue is that this is minus if you draw a picture since the "cut" is on the left.
Original post by TeeEm
the is no INVERSE PHI of 0.2 in standard tables

you only do 1 minus if you are inverting probabilities under 0.5

however this self corrects since INVERSE PHI of 0.8 is indeed 0.8416

the issue is that this is minus if you draw a picture since the "cut" is on the left.


Sorry to hijack but TeeEm could you please have a look at this question?
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3708387

Again sorry OP for jacking this thread.
Reply 12
Original post by TeeEm
the is no INVERSE PHI of 0.2 in standard tables

you only do 1 minus if you are inverting probabilities under 0.5

however this self corrects since INVERSE PHI of 0.8 is indeed 0.8416

the issue is that this is minus if you draw a picture since the "cut" is on the left.


Oh sorry.
Thanks so much
So the final answer is correct then ?
Reply 13
Original post by Aty100
Oh sorry.
Thanks so much
So the final answer is correct then ?


No because you need -0.8416

the "cut" is on the left

you do not do NORMAL without a diagram....
the mean is 2500 hours, the standard deviation is 30 hours. you need to look up the z value for 0.8... this will be about 0.84

0.84 = (2500 - a)/30

rearrange to find a.

we put 2500 - a instead of a - 2500 because the value of a must lie to the left of the mean.
Reply 15
Original post by TeeEm
No because you need -0.8416

the "cut" is on the left

you do not do NORMAL without a diagram....


But that gives the same answer :/
I accidentally forgot to put it in the attachment when I wrote it
Reply 16
Original post by the bear
the mean is 2500 hours, the standard deviation is 30 hours. you need to look up the z value for 0.8... this will be about 0.84

0.84 = (2500 - a)/30

rearrange to find a.

we put 2500 - a instead of a - 2500 because the value of a must lie to the left of the mean.


So the answer is -2525 ?
Reply 17
Original post by Aty100
But that gives the same answer :/
I accidentally forgot to put it in the attachment when I wrote it


the answer you will get from these workings is incorrect as it will produce a value over 2500 which cannot be right...

you need -0.8416
Original post by Aty100
So the answer is -2525 ?

0.84*30 = 2500 - a

so a should be a positive number ?
Reply 19
Original post by the bear
0.84*30 = 2500 - a

so a should be a positive number ?


So a = 2475? I used -0.8416

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