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Solve the quadratic equations where possible?

5x^2+9x+3=0 and 2x^2+x-7=0

you can't factorise these, how do i solve this non calculator?

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Original post by tom989
5x^2+9x+3=0 and 2x^2+x-7=0

you can't factorise these, how do i solve this non calculator?


What other methods do you know for solving quadratics?

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quadratic forumla?
Original post by SeanFM
What other methods do you know for solving quadratics?

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how would i use complete the square?
Original post by tom989
quadratic forumla?


Correct. But you can take your pick between that and the other method suggested :smile:
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Original post by tom989
how would i use complete the square?


Let's use a general formula: ax2+bx+c=0ax^2 + bx + c = 0
Step 1 - take a out of the terms involving x: a(x2+bxa)+c=0a(x^2+ \frac{bx}{a})+c=0
Step 2 - look at the x2+bxax^2+ \frac{bx}{a} divide through by x and divide the second term by 2 (and square the bracket): a(x+b2a)2+c=0a(x+ \frac{b}{2a})^2 + c =0
Step 3 - Take c to the other side, divide through by a, square root the equation and solve for x.
Reply 7
there are 4 ways to solve quadratics:
1. Complete the square
2. the quadratic formula
3. factorise
4. graphs (yes you can use graphs to use quadratic)

You're best choices will be the formula (you find it online) and graphs (but you'll have to use excel to ensure that you get an accurate answer) - input some numbers in the formula and plot an XY scatter graph in excel and take interception of the shape with X line ... it should work very well
Original post by RAlexO
there are 4 ways to solve quadratics:
1. Complete the square
2. the quadratic formula
3. factorise
4. graphs (yes you can use graphs to use quadratic)

You're best choices will be the formula (you find it online) and graphs (but you'll have to use excel to ensure that you get an accurate answer) - input some numbers in the formula and plot an XY scatter graph in excel and take interception of the shape with X line ... it should work very well

You'll rarely get a precise answer solving them graphically, If you include that then you have to include numerical methods as well.
Also, they're unlikely to be allowed to use Excel in their exam.
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Original post by morgan8002
You'll rarely get a precise answer solving them graphically, If you include that then you have to include numerical methods as well.
Also, they're unlikely to be allowed to use Excel in their exam.


I did not know he needed it for an exam... I thought it is some sort of homework or essay :smile:.
Reply 10
Original post by Andy98
Let's use a general formula: ax2+bx+c=0ax^2 + bx + c = 0
Step 1 - take a out of the terms involving x: a(x2+bxa)+c=0a(x^2+ \frac{bx}{a})+c=0
Step 2 - look at the x2+bxax^2+ \frac{bx}{a} divide through by x and divide the second term by 2 (and square the bracket): a(x+b2a)2+c=0a(x+ \frac{b}{2a})^2 + c =0
Step 3 - Take c to the other side, divide through by a, square root the equation and solve for x.


a(x2+bxa)+c=0    a((x+b2a)2b24a2)+c\displaystyle a\left(x^2 + \frac{bx}{a}\right) + c = 0 \iff a\bigg(\left(x + \frac{b}{2a}\right)^2 - \frac{b^2}{4a^2}\bigg) + c
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Original post by Zacken
a(x2+bxa)+c=0    a((x+b2a)2b24a2)+c\displaystyle a\left(x^2 + \frac{bx}{a}\right) + c = 0 \iff a\bigg(\left(x + \frac{b}{2a}\right)^2 - \frac{b^2}{4a^2}\bigg) + c


Oh yeah, oops :colondollar:
Reply 12
Original post by Andy98
Oh yeah, oops :colondollar:


Which is, by the way, precisely how you derive the quadratic formula. :wink:
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Original post by Zacken
Which is, by the way, precisely how you derive the quadratic formula. :wink:


It is?
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Original post by Andy98
It is?


a(x2+bxa)+c=0    a((x+b2a)2b24a2)+c=0\displaystyle a\left(x^2 + \frac{bx}{a}\right) + c = 0 \iff a\bigg(\left(x + \frac{b}{2a}\right)^2 - \frac{b^2}{4a^2}\bigg) + c = 0

So, isolating 'x':

a(x+b2a)2b24a=c    a(x+b2a)2=b24ac=b24ac4a\displaystyle a\left(x + \frac{b}{2a}\right)^2 - \frac{b^2}{4a} = -c \iff a\left(x + \frac{b}{2a}\right)^2 = \frac{b^2}{4a} - c = \frac{b^2 - 4ac}{4a}

    (x+b2a)=b24ac4a2\displaystyle \iff \left(x + \frac{b}{2a}\right) = \frac{b^2 - 4ac}{4a^2}

Square rooting and isolating x:

x=b2a±b24ac4a2=b±b24ac2a\displaystyle x = \frac{-b}{2a} \pm \sqrt{\frac{b^2 - 4ac}{4a^2}} = \frac{-b \pm \sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}
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Original post by Zacken
a(x2+bxa)+c=0    a((x+b2a)2b24a2)+c=0\displaystyle a\left(x^2 + \frac{bx}{a}\right) + c = 0 \iff a\bigg(\left(x + \frac{b}{2a}\right)^2 - \frac{b^2}{4a^2}\bigg) + c = 0

So, isolating 'x':

a(x+b2a)2b24a=c    a(x+b2a)2=b24ac=b24ac4a\displaystyle a\left(x + \frac{b}{2a}\right)^2 - \frac{b^2}{4a} = -c \iff a\left(x + \frac{b}{2a}\right)^2 = \frac{b^2}{4a} - c = \frac{b^2 - 4ac}{4a}

    (x+b2a)=b24ac4a2\displaystyle \iff \left(x + \frac{b}{2a}\right) = \frac{b^2 - 4ac}{4a^2}

Square rooting and isolating x:

x=b2a±b24ac4a2=b±b24ac2a\displaystyle x = \frac{-b}{2a} \pm \sqrt{\frac{b^2 - 4ac}{4a^2}} = \frac{-b \pm \sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}


Wow! I never realised that. Nice!
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Original post by Andy98
Wow! I never realised that. Nice!


Learn something new everyday. :biggrin:
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Original post by Zacken
Learn something new everyday. :biggrin:


True
Original post by Andy98
Let's use a general formula: ax2+bx+c=0ax^2 + bx + c = 0
Step 1 - take a out of the terms involving x: a(x2+bxa)+c=0a(x^2+ \frac{bx}{a})+c=0
Step 2 - look at the x2+bxax^2+ \frac{bx}{a} divide through by x and divide the second term by 2 (and square the bracket): a(x+b2a)2+c=0a(x+ \frac{b}{2a})^2 + c =0
Step 3 - Take c to the other side, divide through by a, square root the equation and solve for x.


You have to account for the extra term when the bracket is squared by subtracting (b^2)/4a^2, so in the case of 5x^2 + 9x + 3 = 0 you get:

5[x^2 + 1.8x + 0.6] = 0
X^2 + 1.8x + 0.6 = 0
(X + 0.9)^2 + 0.6 - 0.81 = 0
(X + 0.9)^2 - 0.21 = 0
(X + 0.9)^2 = 0.21
X + 0.9 = +/- sqrt(0.21)
x = -0.9 +/- sqrt(0.21)
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Original post by vectorpi
You have to account for the extra term when the bracket is squared by subtracting (b^2)/4a^2, so in the case of 5x^2 + 9x + 3 = 0 you get:

5[x^2 + 1.8x + 0.6] = 0
X^2 + 1.8x + 0.6 = 0
(X + 0.9)^2 + 0.6 - 0.81 = 0
(X + 0.9)^2 - 0.21 = 0
(X + 0.9)^2 = 0.21
X + 0.9 = +/- sqrt(0.21)
x = -0.9 +/- sqrt(0.21)


He already knows.

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