Should young people be paid minimum wage?

But I do work full time. I'm struggling so much for money because I live in an expensive city and I do not earn minimum wage because the law is unjust and allows my employer to discriminate against me.

But I wouldn't be earning no wage at all. My work has hired plenty of over 21 year olds with no work experience. Why are you assuming you know every employer inside and out?

Perhaps you would. Still, if you only needed one worker, and there were two candidates with a substantial age gap between them, if you were a prudent business owner you'd hire the older one most of the time, because, absent any price advantage for the younger one, they'd usually be the better candidate.

I think he is sensible enough to crawl up the arses of employers when necessary. We do not, however, yet need to fear committing thought crime against them, this not being North Korea

Perhaps you would. Still, if you only needed one worker, and there were two candidates with a substantial age gap between them, if you were a prudent business owner you'd hire the older one most of the time, because, absent any price advantage for the younger one, they'd usually be the better candidate.

Mate you realise that is illegal right?

Except that we DON'T have a welfare system available to young people because you are not entitled to 90% of benefits until you are 21 or older. The people who earn the least are the ones not entitled to benefits! It's nuts.


And yes as I said I know plenty of adults who have jobs for disposable income. Mostly Wives who have high-earning husbands who get a job as something to have some more money. Like I know a middle age couple, one of them earns well over £150K and the other one stays at home. Recently she decided to get a job to give her something to do and have some extra money. She doesn't need the money, the job is PURELY to get disposable income. Should she only get paid £5 an hour cause she doesn't really need it?! What a stupid argument.

Young people required to be paid the same as older people would be at a severe disadvantage to those older people when competing against them for jobs. It has nothing whatever to do with how easy the job is to do or to learn.

They don't , in general, have the same level of reliability - only yesterday there was a TV report on an experimental late starting of school for older pupils, as research shows they cannot cope with being at school at 9am. Employers like people to start on time and be effective from the off.

They aren't generally used to the disciplines of the workplace. Getting rid of an unproductive employee is costly, so advocating the firing of those that don't work out does not address the problem; employers don't want the costs of constant or repeated recruitment.

In order to incentivise employers to take them on, the cost to the employer has to be lower. If it weren't youth unemployment would be twice as bad as it is already.

My dad is on over £300K plus a year and my mum doesn't work at all, yet we are really struggling right now

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You are such a liar. My sister is 18 and on benefits, your argument is thus invalid.

and that is such a stupid argument. My dad is on over £300K plus a year and my mum doesn't work at all, yet we are really struggling right now, the world is not cheap you imbecile, I am basing this of a majority of the population.

Oh do live in the real world for a moment.

Realistically, your age is a factor in itself when you are being considered for a position. The major point, though, is that older people as a group tend to have more experience than their younger competitors, as I've explained.

But I do work full time. I'm struggling so much for money because I live in an expensive city and I do not earn minimum wage because the law is unjust and allows my employer to discriminate against me.

So slave societies like the Romans and the Confederacy found. It can be argued both ways but it requires people who understand about universal basic income etc. We are still too thick for that

lol this should be fun

We are expected to pay Adult prices for virtually every paid-for service in the country and yet we earn less. In some cases, we actually pay more to live - as we are not entitled to most benefits or credits.

Should under 21s be paid the same as over 21s?

Well the welfare state acts as a kind of basic income in a very inefficient and bureaucratic way. Undermining the welfare state is one fo the reasons right wingers like a UBI. I'm from the Bertrand Russell school of left wing UBI advocacy.

http://www.zpub.com/notes/idle.html


But we are currently stuck with a bunch of morons in power who have a kind of Victorian moralizing about the necessity to work taking away tax credits etc...

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Isn't hiring just to fill a quota discrimination, just as illegal. You hire based on experience and skills, not because you need a young person

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You are such a liar. My sister is 18 and on benefits, your argument is thus invalid.

and that is such a stupid argument. My dad is on over £300K plus a year and my mum doesn't work at all, yet we are really struggling right now, the world is not cheap you imbecile, I am basing this of a majority of the population.