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Original post by queen-bee
We don't know for certain if he's dead or alive,however if he has been killed by the west,do you think it'll have any effect in any way on ISIS/ISIL?
Or is it less significant than the capture of sinjar?
Or is it less significant than the capture of sinjar?
More of a moral victory. I'm sure the US knew where he was for a while as usual
Original post by queen-bee
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Original post by Bill_Gates
More of a moral victory. I'm sure the US knew where he was for a while as usual
Exactly so why wait this long to deal with him?
Original post by Bill_Gates
No need to bump, i'm here
Hahaah always to the rescue
No need to bump when your post is 3 minutes old.
This won't change anything. They'll just get another person to behead folks in videos.
This won't change anything. They'll just get another person to behead folks in videos.
Original post by queen-bee
Exactly so why wait this long to deal with him?
Support in the west was growing for Russia - we can't have that, can we?
Emwazi should have been trialled and put in jail in the UK as ISIS can use his death as propaganda for their people against britain and the west which is the last thing we want. Plus isis have thousands of people who can replace him, the way to stop isis is for us to grow some balls and confront saudi arabia who finance isis to destablise the middle east and their enemies. Once u stop they money and arms u will stop isis
Original post by Bill_Gates
Support in the west was growing for Russia - we can't have that, can we?
Certainly not
Original post by Gladiator12345
Emwazi should have been trialled and put in jail in the UK as ISIS can use his death as propaganda for their people against britain and the west which is the last thing we want. Plus isis have thousands of people who can replace him, the way to stop isis is for us to grow some balls and confront saudi arabia who finance isis to destablise the middle east and their enemies. Once u stop they money and arms u will stop isis
Couldn't agree more
Original post by Bill_Gates
More of a moral victory. I'm sure the US knew where he was for a while as usual
Original post by queen-bee
Exactly so why wait this long to deal with him?
The second question is only valid when the bold statement has some evidence for it, which it doesn't at the moment. Try to keep the conspiracy theorist in you under control.
Original post by Hydeman
The second question is only valid when the bold statement has some evidence for it, which it doesn't at the moment. Try to keep the conspiracy theorist in you under control.
I'm still wondering why the west haven't done anything about him up until now?
that's the real questionOriginal post by queen-bee
I'm still wondering why the west haven't done anything about him up until now? that's the real question
that's the real questionThere could be any number of reasons. Perhaps it just took them this long to find him. I certainly don't see why Bill Gates seems to want to jump to the conclusion that the United States knew where he was and deliberately didn't act until now, and has only done so because of Russia. That sort of thing requires evidence, of which I doubt he has much.
Yes.
He wasn't particularly important in the operational sense, but he was a symbol of ISIL. They built him up to be a sort of figurehead or mascot. An Arab academic was on the BBC this afternoon talking about how this is devastating for ISIL's narrative, that they cannot even protect the people they themselves built up as a great figure of the movement.
He said that on the Arab street, it will emphasise ISIL's impotence and inability to do anything to prevent airstrikes. He said it may affect the willingness of Muslims to join ISIL; everybody likes a winner, and when it seemed like they were invincible in mid-2014, that would have been enough for many to tip the balance in favour of joining.
But increasingly, it is clear that joining ISIL is a huge hazard to your life. By undertaking this strike, it is signalled to ISIL "We can come and get you. We can strike one of your most important figures, in the middle of your capital, and there's nothing you can do. We can come and stomp you, you are utterly impotent in the face of this tactic"
He wasn't particularly important in the operational sense, but he was a symbol of ISIL. They built him up to be a sort of figurehead or mascot. An Arab academic was on the BBC this afternoon talking about how this is devastating for ISIL's narrative, that they cannot even protect the people they themselves built up as a great figure of the movement.
He said that on the Arab street, it will emphasise ISIL's impotence and inability to do anything to prevent airstrikes. He said it may affect the willingness of Muslims to join ISIL; everybody likes a winner, and when it seemed like they were invincible in mid-2014, that would have been enough for many to tip the balance in favour of joining.
But increasingly, it is clear that joining ISIL is a huge hazard to your life. By undertaking this strike, it is signalled to ISIL "We can come and get you. We can strike one of your most important figures, in the middle of your capital, and there's nothing you can do. We can come and stomp you, you are utterly impotent in the face of this tactic"
It's more of a symbolic victory. If the US is able to find his location and kill him, it sends a message that ISIS is not invincible as it claims to be. Some commanders might be worried as well - if the US can get intelligence on someone like Emwazi, what else do they know about other important ISIS members and commanders?
Original post by Bill_Gates
No, it really wasn't. You shouldn't mistake the support for Putin amongst a small fringe of far left and far right activists with sympathy amongst the general population. People see Putin as a joke at best, and a malevolent dictator at worst.
There is a very clear difference between the US and Russia's actions in Syria. The US has spent the last 15 months bombing ISIL targets with highly-precise guided missiles. They use drones to surveil the target carefully, and then strike often with a Hellfire missile that has a 9 kilogram warhead and will only kill those people travelling in the car that is targeted.
By contrast, Russia has been dropping 500 pound unguided bombs from 20,000 feet mainly in the West of Syria where ISIL doesn't operate. You can't hit a specific target dropping an unguided bomb from 20,000 feet, it's just terror bombing like Guernica to intimidate and menace the butcher Assad's enemies.
The guff coming out from Kremlinbots and various RT mouth-breathers, that Russia is acting tough and forced the US to up its game, would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic. The US has been continuously bombing ISIL for the last 15 months and has killed about 20,000 ISIL fighters in the air campaign; there have also, tragically, been about 1000 civilian deaths in the airstrikes.
Russia has killed about 500 rebels and about 500 civilians in four weeks. Those figures say everything about the situation. As does the fact that Assad has a tacit ceasefire with ISIL, that Assad has a trade deal with ISIL where they swap oil for electricity, and that in late 2011 Assad opened his prisons and released thousands of jihadis knowing they would take up arms against him and he could then portray all opposition to him as terroristic.
Finally, the laughable conspiracy theories that the US knew where Emwazi was hardly bears responding to. The US has always been very protective of its citizens, and will chase a terrorist for decades (like the murderers of Leon Klinghoffer). Emwazi is yet another death in a reasonably effective drone campaign against the worst terrorist group on earth.
Original post by woIfie
No, it really wasn't. You shouldn't mistake the support for Putin amongst a small fringe of far left and far right activists with sympathy amongst the general population. People see Putin as a joke at best, and a malevolent dictator at worst.
There is a very clear difference between the US and Russia's actions in Syria. The US has spent the last 15 months bombing ISIL targets with highly-precise guided missiles. They use drones to surveil the target carefully, and then strike often with a Hellfire missile that has a 9 kilogram warhead and will only kill those people travelling in the car that is targeted.
By contrast, Russia has been dropping 500 pound unguided bombs from 20,000 feet mainly in the West of Syria where ISIL doesn't operate. You can't hit a specific target dropping an unguided bomb from 20,000 feet, it's just terror bombing like Guernica to intimidate and menace the butcher Assad's enemies.
The guff coming out from Kremlinbots and various RT mouth-breathers, that Russia is acting tough and forced the US to up its game, would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic. The US has been continuously bombing ISIL for the last 15 months and has killed about 20,000 ISIL fighters in the air campaign; there have also, tragically, been about 1000 civilian deaths in the airstrikes.
Russia has killed about 500 rebels and about 500 civilians in four weeks. Those figures say everything about the situation. As does the fact that Assad has a tacit ceasefire with ISIL, that Assad has a trade deal with ISIL where they swap oil for electricity, and that in late 2011 Assad opened his prisons and released thousands of jihadis knowing they would take up arms against him and he could then portray all opposition to him as terroristic.
Finally, the laughable conspiracy theories that the US knew where Emwazi was hardly bears responding to. The US has always been very protective of its citizens, and will chase a terrorist for decades (like the murderers of Leon Klinghoffer). Emwazi is yet another death in a reasonably effective drone campaign against the worst terrorist group on earth.
There is a very clear difference between the US and Russia's actions in Syria. The US has spent the last 15 months bombing ISIL targets with highly-precise guided missiles. They use drones to surveil the target carefully, and then strike often with a Hellfire missile that has a 9 kilogram warhead and will only kill those people travelling in the car that is targeted.
By contrast, Russia has been dropping 500 pound unguided bombs from 20,000 feet mainly in the West of Syria where ISIL doesn't operate. You can't hit a specific target dropping an unguided bomb from 20,000 feet, it's just terror bombing like Guernica to intimidate and menace the butcher Assad's enemies.
The guff coming out from Kremlinbots and various RT mouth-breathers, that Russia is acting tough and forced the US to up its game, would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic. The US has been continuously bombing ISIL for the last 15 months and has killed about 20,000 ISIL fighters in the air campaign; there have also, tragically, been about 1000 civilian deaths in the airstrikes.
Russia has killed about 500 rebels and about 500 civilians in four weeks. Those figures say everything about the situation. As does the fact that Assad has a tacit ceasefire with ISIL, that Assad has a trade deal with ISIL where they swap oil for electricity, and that in late 2011 Assad opened his prisons and released thousands of jihadis knowing they would take up arms against him and he could then portray all opposition to him as terroristic.
Finally, the laughable conspiracy theories that the US knew where Emwazi was hardly bears responding to. The US has always been very protective of its citizens, and will chase a terrorist for decades (like the murderers of Leon Klinghoffer). Emwazi is yet another death in a reasonably effective drone campaign against the worst terrorist group on earth.
Was on most the papers - both left and right wing.
Most people are behind Russia - it's correct to keep Assad and call for democratic elections rather than destroy the country and put in an incompetent puppet leader.
This no achievement, just a delusion. Same with Osama bin laden. So what if he was killed? Only 100 more will come and see how great of a martyr he was. No ones wins in war.
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