cant stand religion bashers

Galileo died as a martyr of science.

If I could eradicate one thing from this planet, it would be religion. It is the root of all evil.

True, but it gets irritating when you hear people criticising you for just trying to live your life the way you want to be honest.

For the sake of argument I'm assuming that a supernatural being created the Universe to show how implausible it is, and what evidence is there to show it did happen? If it doesn't mean it didn't happen please show me the evidence to show it did happen?

The reason that it is implausible is the way the earth is is dependent on the sun, so it seems logical for an omnipotent and omniscient being who isn't affected by time, space or limited knowledge to have the entire plan of the Universe planned out and create it in the simplest way possible. To create the earth first, then the sun, to have to then redesign the earth and planets to be work with the sun, then create all of the other galaxies is just a stupid way to create the Universe. If a omnipotent and omniscient God was to create the Universe he would do it much more logically, which would include creating the universe and the galaxies then the sun and then the planets not the other way around. An all knowing God wouldn't need to rethink and build on the spot, he would just know what to do.

Another reason it disproves the bible is because it shows a lack of understanding about the Universe. God created the earth and the heavens then light (sun), from the point of view of a pre Copernican Revolutionary thinking man this makes perfect sense as we used to think the Sun revolved around the Earth, and creating the sun second seemed more plausible. However as we now know the Earth revolves around the sun so it seems illogical to create the sun second and referring back to the paragraph above, an omnipotent and omniscient God is unlikely to create the Universe in such a stupid way, if the Earth is the main reason for the Universe why did he go to all the trouble to make an entire Universe with other Galaxies that we're probably never going to even witness. This makes it so much more likely that it is not the word of God, it is a man prior to the 15th Century thinking that the Sun revolves around the Earth and writes Genesis in a way that would make sense to people of the time who also believed that.

Galileo died in his bed of natural causes at the ripe old age of 77.

You could live your life according to the moral teachings of scripture and have no faith in any god at all, you know.

I'd criticise the weak-minded belief in god, not that you have a particular set of morals you want to live by. If the Bible teaches moral lessons you agree with, then by all means, live as the Bible teaches. That's not what the criticism is about.

If I could eradicate one thing from this planet, it would be religion. It is the root of all evil.

You're from Britain right? We just had Remembrance day, celebrating the loss of life of people in the first world war for dying for their country. Soldiers can be viewed as martyrs, yet we remember them and applaud them for it. Didn't Martin Luther King Jr. die a martyr for the civil right's cause? Galileo died as a martyr of science. The concept of being a Martyr is more common than you think, and we all take inspiration from it whether we are aware or not.

True, but it gets irritating when you hear people criticising you for just trying to live your life the way you want to be honest.

You can do it without scripture just as you can pass a test without tuition. What is different is the fact that religious people try to dedicate everything to their faith to make the world a better place. We're making the decision for ourselves to follow God to humble ourselves and appreciate virtues of God. This doesn't make an atheist any less righteous than a Christian. In fact, we're acknowledging that we are all flawed and we all need a lot of work. We're all in the same boat

eeew pseduo intellectual drivel!

I don't think the two are comparable. Most of the soldiers who fought in the First World War died not for their country, but because they were conscripted into the armed forces by silly politicians playing a rather dangerous game of chess within a web of alliances.

Early Christians didn't need to be 'martyred' for their cause -- they could just have kept their beliefs secret and continued to live. In that situation, to voluntarily stick your neck out by practising openly is hardly being martyred. A better comparison would be prisoners who go on hunger strike until a certain demand is met (e.g. granted political prisoner status) and die as a result. Anyway, my main objection was that you implied that using Jesus's death as inspiration to become a martyr was somehow admirable.

Also, Galileo died of natural causes...



Very little of the criticism is actually aimed towards the people who practise religion (except when they do patronising things like going to people's houses and offer to 'save' them). Virtually nobody has any issue with people just going to church or other place of worship and singing hymns or praying in congregation.

The ideas of religion, however, are as open to criticism as any other ideas. That's just something people have to learn to live with as a natural consequence of a free society.

There's also a subtle exception here: what you describe as 'just trying to live your life the way you want' isn't always restricted to your own life. A prime example of this is the belief among some religious parents that they somehow 'own' their children and are therefore entitled to not act in the best interests of the child, whether that be through not vaccinating them against potentially fatal diseases, teaching them junk science, or 'raising' them in their own religion (known as 'brainwashing' for those who don't like to euphemise). That sort of thing is always going to be criticised, unfortunately.



At the end of the day, I just don't buy into the idea that religious scripture has any monopoly on telling me what's right and wrong. I wouldn't say my goal is to make the world a better place (so we differ there) but that's an argument for another day.

Funny that, because I find religious people who go out in public, screaming bible/Quran versus infuriating! Just like how people have the right to follow religion, people also have the right not to and shouldn't have it forced upon them.

Have a look at Colossians 1:17 and Psalms 104. Colossians says 'in him [God] all things hold together'. God maintains the universe. God maintains the Earth. Sure he might use the sun to do this. But he could easily maintain the earth without the sun if he wanted to. The whole world is in his hands.

That says nothing about the word of God, simply that pre-Copernican interpretation of the bible was wrong. The bible doesn't say the sun revolves around the earth.

You say the order is stupid, and therefore the bible is disproved. I don't think that's a very good point. God could make stuff the order it says in the bible if he wanted. He said 'let there be light' before making the sun. So what? He can do that if he wants to. He is that powerful.

What ARE you criticising then, might I ask?

I'm sorry if you're resorting to justifications such as 'he can do that if he wants to' there's no point arguing with you.

Faith is not a good thing. As long as individual keeps it on themselves its neutral thing at best. When they start to try to convert others, raise their innocent children to faith and maybe even use it as reason or excuse to violence it turns into evil.

Faith is like voluntary blindness. Its not smart to believe in something there is no evidence of existing. I could believe in god immediately if there was reason to.
But god is logical paradox and we are yet to find the reason.

Still waiting for a reason why faith is inherently good btw

Belief in god.

Belief in answers backed only by faith is a social disease. Every argument for gods' existence are based on assertions or appealing to ignorance. The funny thing is, the dumber way to live is exactly what the biblical god wants.

The moral teachings of the bible, for the most part, do not involve god any further than simply "god wants us to live this way". That, as a reason to adopt biblical ideals, is poor. That you agree with the parables, and their moral argument for a certain way to behave, is a good reason. "God" telling you, and you thinking about it for yourself are obviously different!

I don't think the two are comparable. Most of the soldiers who fought in the First World War died not for their country, but because they were conscripted into the armed forces by silly politicians playing a rather dangerous game of chess within a web of alliances.

Early Christians didn't need to be 'martyred' for their cause -- they could just have kept their beliefs secret and continued to live. In that situation, to voluntarily stick your neck out by practising openly is hardly being martyred. A better comparison would be prisoners who go on hunger strike until a certain demand is met (e.g. granted political prisoner status) and die as a result. Anyway, my main objection was that you implied that using Jesus's death as inspiration to become a martyr was somehow admirable.

Also, Galileo died of natural causes...

Very little of the criticism is actually aimed towards the people who practise religion (except when they do patronising things like going to people's houses and offer to 'save' them). Virtually nobody has any issue with people just going to church or other place of worship and singing hymns or praying in congregation.

The ideas of religion, however, are as open to criticism as any other ideas. That's just something people have to learn to live with as a natural consequence of a free society.

There's also a subtle exception here: what you describe as 'just trying to live your life the way you want' isn't always restricted to your own life. A prime example of this is the belief among some religious parents that they somehow 'own' their children and are therefore entitled to not act in the best interests of the child, whether that be through not vaccinating them against potentially fatal diseases, teaching them junk science, or 'raising' them in their own religion (known as 'brainwashing' for those who don't like to euphemise). That sort of thing is always going to be criticised, unfortunately.

At the end of the day, I just don't buy into the idea that religious scripture has any monopoly on telling me what's right and wrong. I wouldn't say my goal is to make the world a better place (so we differ there) but that's an argument for another day.

Is that forcing a religion on somebody? I bet nobody has ever forced their religion on you, and you're just exaggerating.