"Shootings" reported in central Paris.
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Original post by Little Toy Gun
OK so basically the easiest way to doing it is to make Britain a muslim country?
- no more leftists
- no more feminism
- no more liberalism
- high birth rate
- right wing takeover of educational institutions and media
- no more leftists
- no more feminism
- no more liberalism
- high birth rate
- right wing takeover of educational institutions and media
Traditionalism prioritised the raising of healthy and successful children so that the civilisation was stable in the long term.
-Leftism prioritises reckless welfare spending which bankrupts the country.
-Feminism prioritises letting women act like men and forego their responsibility to be good mothers and wives. This destroys the population sustainability of the country.
-Liberalism prioritises freedom over responsibility. This leads to leftism, feminism, and other destructive social movements. The long term result of every liberal movement has been social democracy, socialism and corruption. The best example is the USA.
-Muslim countries (like Iran and SA) have a replacement level birth rate. The West does not. Most Muslim countries are as industrialised today as the West was before the death of traditional culture. Before then, the West did have a replacement level birth rate and sustainable economic system.
-Currently these institutions have been taken over by leftists, who are vastly at odds with popular sentiment.
Simply put, a country wouldn't need immigrants, with all the problems they may or may not bring, if it had birthed and raised its own children well. Where Putin is trying to take Russia is a good model for the West.
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You just cannot blame Islam as a whole (as some users seem to be doing 
) this incident and like many others, is clearly a misuse of religion. Islam does not justify or encourage mass-murder. This is clearly all down to radicalism, blame that!
) this incident and like many others, is clearly a misuse of religion. Islam does not justify or encourage mass-murder. This is clearly all down to radicalism, blame that!Original post by 41b
Traditionalism prioritised the raising of healthy and successful children so that the civilisation was stable in the long term.
-Leftism prioritises reckless welfare spending which bankrupts the country.
-Feminism prioritises letting women act like men and forego their responsibility to be good mothers and wives. This destroys the population sustainability of the country.
-Liberalism prioritises freedom over responsibility. This leads to leftism, feminism, and other destructive social movements. The long term result of every liberal movement has been social democracy, socialism and corruption. The best example is the USA.
-Muslim countries (like Iran and SA) have a replacement level birth rate. The West does not. Most Muslim countries are as industrialised today as the West was before the death of traditional culture. Before then, the West did have a replacement level birth rate and sustainable economic system.
-Currently these institutions have been taken over by leftists, who are vastly at odds with popular sentiment.
Simply put, a country wouldn't need immigrants, with all the problems they may or may not bring, if it had birthed and raised its own children well. Where Putin is trying to take Russia is a good model for the West.
-Leftism prioritises reckless welfare spending which bankrupts the country.
-Feminism prioritises letting women act like men and forego their responsibility to be good mothers and wives. This destroys the population sustainability of the country.
-Liberalism prioritises freedom over responsibility. This leads to leftism, feminism, and other destructive social movements. The long term result of every liberal movement has been social democracy, socialism and corruption. The best example is the USA.
-Muslim countries (like Iran and SA) have a replacement level birth rate. The West does not. Most Muslim countries are as industrialised today as the West was before the death of traditional culture. Before then, the West did have a replacement level birth rate and sustainable economic system.
-Currently these institutions have been taken over by leftists, who are vastly at odds with popular sentiment.
Simply put, a country wouldn't need immigrants, with all the problems they may or may not bring, if it had birthed and raised its own children well. Where Putin is trying to take Russia is a good model for the West.
Did you quote the wrong person?
I was pointing out the mere fact that, under islam, muslim countries achieve most of the goals you want Britain to achieve:
- no feminism
- no liberalism
- ring wingers taking over politics, education, and the media
- high birth rate
If you respond with irrelevant stuff again I will not respond.
Original post by 41b
Even Muslims, or at least the sensible ones, will agree that, after these attacks, for now, the best thing to do is to treat refugees as potential terrorists.
Which would be a radical change in the basis of the western legal system, 'innocent before proven guilty'.
Original post by 41b
Traditionalism prioritised the raising of healthy and successful children so that the civilisation was stable in the long term.
-Leftism prioritises reckless welfare spending which bankrupts the country.
-Feminism prioritises letting women act like men and forego their responsibility to be good mothers and wives. This destroys the population sustainability of the country.
-Liberalism prioritises freedom over responsibility. This leads to leftism, feminism, and other destructive social movements. The long term result of every liberal movement has been social democracy, socialism and corruption. The best example is the USA.
-Muslim countries (like Iran and SA) have a replacement level birth rate. The West does not. Most Muslim countries are as industrialised today as the West was before the death of traditional culture. Before then, the West did have a replacement level birth rate and sustainable economic system.
-Currently these institutions have been taken over by leftists, who are vastly at odds with popular sentiment.
Simply put, a country wouldn't need immigrants, with all the problems they may or may not bring, if it had birthed and raised its own children well. Where Putin is trying to take Russia is a good model for the West.
-Leftism prioritises reckless welfare spending which bankrupts the country.
-Feminism prioritises letting women act like men and forego their responsibility to be good mothers and wives. This destroys the population sustainability of the country.
-Liberalism prioritises freedom over responsibility. This leads to leftism, feminism, and other destructive social movements. The long term result of every liberal movement has been social democracy, socialism and corruption. The best example is the USA.
-Muslim countries (like Iran and SA) have a replacement level birth rate. The West does not. Most Muslim countries are as industrialised today as the West was before the death of traditional culture. Before then, the West did have a replacement level birth rate and sustainable economic system.
-Currently these institutions have been taken over by leftists, who are vastly at odds with popular sentiment.
Simply put, a country wouldn't need immigrants, with all the problems they may or may not bring, if it had birthed and raised its own children well. Where Putin is trying to take Russia is a good model for the West.
Oh dear...
Original post by Ahmed766
No one hates radical Muslims more than Muslims.
Original post by Hasan_Ahmed
Progressive islam can be easily promoted by individuals speaking to individuals. Yes, at the group level, it should be muslims making speeches and leading movements, but there's nothing to stop simple conversation between peaceful muslims and non muslims where progressive values can be highlighted according to Islamic texts themselves.
There is no progressive Muslim in prison (where radicalisation happens).
Original post by 41b
Mahatma Gandhi was shot to death. All his worthless idealism did not save him. Screw Gandhi. His advice is for wimps.
And Hitler was forced to shoot himself.
Looks like using the iron fist doesn't work either.
Original post by 41b
Traditionalism prioritised the raising of healthy and successful children so that the civilisation was stable in the long term.
-Leftism prioritises reckless welfare spending which bankrupts the country.
-Feminism prioritises letting women act like men and forego their responsibility to be good mothers and wives. This destroys the population sustainability of the country.
-Liberalism prioritises freedom over responsibility. This leads to leftism, feminism, and other destructive social movements. The long term result of every liberal movement has been social democracy, socialism and corruption. The best example is the USA.
-Muslim countries (like Iran and SA) have a replacement level birth rate. The West does not. Most Muslim countries are as industrialised today as the West was before the death of traditional culture. Before then, the West did have a replacement level birth rate and sustainable economic system.
-Currently these institutions have been taken over by leftists, who are vastly at odds with popular sentiment.
Simply put, a country wouldn't need immigrants, with all the problems they may or may not bring, if it had birthed and raised its own children well. Where Putin is trying to take Russia is a good model for the West.
-Leftism prioritises reckless welfare spending which bankrupts the country.
-Feminism prioritises letting women act like men and forego their responsibility to be good mothers and wives. This destroys the population sustainability of the country.
-Liberalism prioritises freedom over responsibility. This leads to leftism, feminism, and other destructive social movements. The long term result of every liberal movement has been social democracy, socialism and corruption. The best example is the USA.
-Muslim countries (like Iran and SA) have a replacement level birth rate. The West does not. Most Muslim countries are as industrialised today as the West was before the death of traditional culture. Before then, the West did have a replacement level birth rate and sustainable economic system.
-Currently these institutions have been taken over by leftists, who are vastly at odds with popular sentiment.
Simply put, a country wouldn't need immigrants, with all the problems they may or may not bring, if it had birthed and raised its own children well. Where Putin is trying to take Russia is a good model for the West.
I highlighted the bits that were either wrong, incredibly exaggerated, ignorant or just statements that are downright facepalm worthy.
Original post by 41b
Simply put, a country wouldn't need immigrants, with all the problems they may or may not bring, if it had birthed and raised its own children well. Where Putin is trying to take Russia is a good model for the West.
Simply put, a country wouldn't need immigrants, with all the problems they may or may not bring, if it had birthed and raised its own children well. Where Putin is trying to take Russia is a good model for the West.
"Putin a good model".
According to this the list of casualties is as follows:
http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/attentats-paris-fusillades-explosions-etat-d-urgence-13-11-2015-5273837.php
Bataclan: at least 100 dead, seven people in a critical condition, four others injured
Rue Charonne: 19 dead, 13 people in a critical condition, 10 others injured
Rue Bichat: 14 dead, 10 in a critical condition, 10 others injured
Avenue de la Republique: Four dead, 11 in a critical condition, 10 others injured
Stade de France: four dead, 11 in a critical condition, 39 others injured
Rue Beaumarchais: three people in a critical condition, four others injuries
http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/attentats-paris-fusillades-explosions-etat-d-urgence-13-11-2015-5273837.php
Bataclan: at least 100 dead, seven people in a critical condition, four others injured
Rue Charonne: 19 dead, 13 people in a critical condition, 10 others injured
Rue Bichat: 14 dead, 10 in a critical condition, 10 others injured
Avenue de la Republique: Four dead, 11 in a critical condition, 10 others injured
Stade de France: four dead, 11 in a critical condition, 39 others injured
Rue Beaumarchais: three people in a critical condition, four others injuries
Original post by Start the Fire
modern leftist = YOU GUYS ARE RACIST AND OPPRESSIVE HOW DARE YOU SAY MUSLIMS KILLED PEOPLE THEY ARE THE REAL VICTIMS HERE
On a student forum where most users are 'modern leftists', exactly 0 person has said exactly that.
Original post by Little Toy Gun
And Hitler was forced to shoot himself.
Looks like using the iron fist doesn't work either.
Looks like using the iron fist doesn't work either.
Can you stop with the gifs in this thread?
Original post by Josb
"Putin a good model".
Mother Russia ha birth rate lower than that of the United States's, the Netherlands's, Denmark's, Australia's, UK's, France's, New Zealand's, Iceland's, Sweden's and countless other countries in the west.
Original post by Josb
There is no progressive Muslim in prison (where radicalisation happens).
Tell that to the Taliban who were radicalised in those madrassas run by a pakistani organisation called jamiat ulema e islam. :/ Besides, if radicalisation in the west takes place in prison, then that leaves a lot of places for countering it.
Original post by Danz123
I highlighted the bits that were either wrong, incredibly exaggerated, ignorant or just statements that are downright facepalm worthy.
I would hope that a basic reading of history would prove informative.
Regardless, the point stands. It's important to note that most other traditional, rich Muslim countries have accepted almost no refugees in light of the potentiality of terrorism. It seems their logical sense of self preservation takes precedence over their emotion.
Original post by 41b
I would hope that a basic reading of history would prove informative.
Regardless, the point stands. It's important to note that most other traditional, rich Muslim countries have accepted almost no refugees in light of the potentiality of terrorism. It seems their logical sense of self preservation takes precedence over their emotion.
Regardless, the point stands. It's important to note that most other traditional, rich Muslim countries have accepted almost no refugees in light of the potentiality of terrorism. It seems their logical sense of self preservation takes precedence over their emotion.
So indeed you want the UK to become a muslim country.
Original post by 41b
I would hope that a basic reading of history would prove informative.
Regardless, the point stands. It's important to note that most other traditional, rich Muslim countries have accepted almost no refugees in light of the potentiality of terrorism. It seems their logical sense of self preservation takes precedence over their emotion.
Regardless, the point stands. It's important to note that most other traditional, rich Muslim countries have accepted almost no refugees in light of the potentiality of terrorism. It seems their logical sense of self preservation takes precedence over their emotion.
I would hope so too, since I have yet to see you demonstrate even a basic grasp of any of the concepts you speak of, in addition to being factually incorrect.
The point does not stand. You made SEVERAL invalid points, in fact your entire post was invalid, and when you were just stating opinion, it was based on those same invalid and confused points you made earlier.
Maybe the richer gulf countries, yes, but what has that got to do with anything? Other Muslim countries have accepted refugees, Turkey has accepted over 2 million -- one meets them even on the streets of Istanbul -- while Lebanon, with over 1 million refugees (some say 2 million) has gone far beyond the carrying capacity of its 4 million citizens. Jordan, Iraq, and even Egypt had all accepted more than Germany, which, if it were to actually receive 800,000 refugees, would still only be the third highest recipient.
Original post by Little Toy Gun
So indeed you want the UK to become a muslim country.
No. That would be an insane conclusion to derive from what I've said.
Original post by 41b
No. That would be an insane conclusion to derive from what I've said.
Not really.
You want:
- no feminism
- no liberalism
- right wingers to take over politics, education, and the media
- high birth rates
- no refugees
Which exist only in muslim or third-world African christian countries.
And you even cited rich muslim countries as good examples to follow.
If those responsible for these most heinous attacks are found to have done so in the name of a political or religious goal, then the repercussions will be devastating. This series of coordinated attacks is the deadliest to hit Paris since World War II. It’s a sad state of affairs that people automatically jump to assume that Islam is responsible. It’s even worse, however, that people forget the victims in lieu of protecting their faith.
Perhaps the worst thing anyone can do right now is tell other people how they should feel; that she should direct their anger elsewhere; that they should point their rage in the ‘right’ direction. This is undoubtedly the best option in the long run, but to rob someone of their right to anger immediately after they have been robbed of someone they love is cruel and only serves to create more resentment to those innocent Muslims who did nothing wrong. Let people feel their anger and sorrow as they are entitled to it, and they will come round to realise that these were the acts of extremists who don’t represent an entire religion, but don’t try to silence their grief at the present.
Killing scores of innocent people aside, these idiots have only served to give more people reason to hate Muslims. In the long run there probably will be severe backlash against the Islamic community, but I think we can all agree that at this very moment that the suffering of those affected both physically and mentally from such atrocities far outweighs the hurt feelings of Muslims. To add monikers like ‘the religion of peace’ to try to defend Islam is pointless. No religion is peaceful, that is a tried and tested fact from countless wars and conflicts up to present done in the name of a faith that not everyone shares. Every major religion has been hijacked by extremists killing innocent people in the name of their faith, so don’t try to tell me Islam is innocent.
Maybe Islam didn’t cause this, but religion can certainly be held responsible in some way. But just because I haven’t specified which religion doesn’t make it any less about Islam, any less than the crusades were caused by Christians or the Ikkō-ikki rebellion was caused by Buddhists. Terrorism is definitely the immediate cause of these horrible crimes, that much is true. But religion has definitely played a part in it.
Right now, however, it’s not ideal to focus on those responsible as much as we should bow our heads for the deceased. More often than not, nowadays, we are quick to forget the victims in favour of political leverage, attacking an ideology, or gathering popular support through social media such as Twitter or Facebook. If you have a shred of sympathy for the victims in Paris and the families and friends of those affected, you won’t burden the attacks in Paris with political bandwagon. That isn’t me saying don’t speak your mind or don’t see the wider picture or implications. I’m simply trying to point out that the well-being and memory of the victims is worth more than capitalising on this travesty or by sympathising with the lesser of the two.
Yes, Israel is horrible and they have a terrible human rights track record, and something has to be done about their actions regarding Palestine; yes, the Iraq War and the War in Afghanistan were terrible, and have claimed thousands of innocent lives; yes, the US and the UK have hypocritical approaches in the international stage regarding terrorism. And yes, there are other tragedies going on right now in the likes of Japan, Mexico, Iraq, and other nations worldwide, and they deserve their own mourning and moment of silence. But they deserve them in their own time. Right now these other events are not the focus of what has happened in Paris and trying to compare other, equally terrible events will only scatter people than unite them.
Perhaps the worst thing anyone can do right now is tell other people how they should feel; that she should direct their anger elsewhere; that they should point their rage in the ‘right’ direction. This is undoubtedly the best option in the long run, but to rob someone of their right to anger immediately after they have been robbed of someone they love is cruel and only serves to create more resentment to those innocent Muslims who did nothing wrong. Let people feel their anger and sorrow as they are entitled to it, and they will come round to realise that these were the acts of extremists who don’t represent an entire religion, but don’t try to silence their grief at the present.
Killing scores of innocent people aside, these idiots have only served to give more people reason to hate Muslims. In the long run there probably will be severe backlash against the Islamic community, but I think we can all agree that at this very moment that the suffering of those affected both physically and mentally from such atrocities far outweighs the hurt feelings of Muslims. To add monikers like ‘the religion of peace’ to try to defend Islam is pointless. No religion is peaceful, that is a tried and tested fact from countless wars and conflicts up to present done in the name of a faith that not everyone shares. Every major religion has been hijacked by extremists killing innocent people in the name of their faith, so don’t try to tell me Islam is innocent.
Maybe Islam didn’t cause this, but religion can certainly be held responsible in some way. But just because I haven’t specified which religion doesn’t make it any less about Islam, any less than the crusades were caused by Christians or the Ikkō-ikki rebellion was caused by Buddhists. Terrorism is definitely the immediate cause of these horrible crimes, that much is true. But religion has definitely played a part in it.
Right now, however, it’s not ideal to focus on those responsible as much as we should bow our heads for the deceased. More often than not, nowadays, we are quick to forget the victims in favour of political leverage, attacking an ideology, or gathering popular support through social media such as Twitter or Facebook. If you have a shred of sympathy for the victims in Paris and the families and friends of those affected, you won’t burden the attacks in Paris with political bandwagon. That isn’t me saying don’t speak your mind or don’t see the wider picture or implications. I’m simply trying to point out that the well-being and memory of the victims is worth more than capitalising on this travesty or by sympathising with the lesser of the two.
Yes, Israel is horrible and they have a terrible human rights track record, and something has to be done about their actions regarding Palestine; yes, the Iraq War and the War in Afghanistan were terrible, and have claimed thousands of innocent lives; yes, the US and the UK have hypocritical approaches in the international stage regarding terrorism. And yes, there are other tragedies going on right now in the likes of Japan, Mexico, Iraq, and other nations worldwide, and they deserve their own mourning and moment of silence. But they deserve them in their own time. Right now these other events are not the focus of what has happened in Paris and trying to compare other, equally terrible events will only scatter people than unite them.
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