Who is worse, a bomber pilot or a terrorist?
The terrorists who attacked Paris believed that they were fighting for a good cause and even died for it. They mercilessly killed civilians.
The pilots who fly bombing raids over Syria, rubbelizing the whole country and killing thousands of civilians also believe they are in the right.
No war has been declared by the Western forces and although the ISIS forces have declared war on the West this was not an "official declaration".
Who is worst?
The pilots who fly bombing raids over Syria, rubbelizing the whole country and killing thousands of civilians also believe they are in the right.
No war has been declared by the Western forces and although the ISIS forces have declared war on the West this was not an "official declaration".
Who is worst?
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Terrorists are worse for deliberately targeting civilians.
Original post by DiddyDec
Terrorists are worse for deliberately targeting civilians.
Even though bomber pilots kill considerably more civilians?
Original post by AlifunArnab
Even though bomber pilots kill considerably more civilians?
Yes.
Original post by AlifunArnab
Even though bomber pilots kill considerably more civilians?
Their intentions are better.
Original post by driftawaay
Yes.
Ok. Tell that to the families of those killed by drones.
I'm sure they'll say the drone operator didn't mean it.
Original post by DiddyDec
Their intentions are better.
Really?
Let's take Russia for example. They're in Syria killing considerably more civilians than fighters. It's complete carelessness on their part.
How is that considered as better intentions?
Original post by AlifunArnab
Ok. Tell that to the families of those killed by drones.
I'm sure they'll say the drone operator didn't mean it.
Really?
Let's take Russia for example. They're in Syria killing considerably more civilians than fighters. It's complete carelessness on their part.
How is that considered as better intentions?
I'm sure they'll say the drone operator didn't mean it.
Really?
Let's take Russia for example. They're in Syria killing considerably more civilians than fighters. It's complete carelessness on their part.
How is that considered as better intentions?
Their intention is to eliminate terrorists which would benefit both the West and those people whose family members are being killed by drones.
Original post by AlifunArnab
Really?
Let's take Russia for example. They're in Syria killing considerably more civilians than fighters. It's complete carelessness on their part.
How is that considered as better intentions?
Really?
Let's take Russia for example. They're in Syria killing considerably more civilians than fighters. It's complete carelessness on their part.
How is that considered as better intentions?
They are attempting to stabilise an unstable nation. Terrorists are attempting destabilise.
Original post by driftawaay
Their intention is to eliminate terrorists which would benefit both the West and those people whose family members are being killed by drones.
I never knew the Free Syrian Army were terrorists. Then again, there's a fine line between revolutionary and terrorist.
Original post by DiddyDec
They are attempting to stabilise an unstable nation. Terrorists are attempting destabilise.
Why is the nation unstable in the first place?
Both.
A bomber pilot has a ideological aim to destroy a target as well as a terrorist.
The difference here is what the target is.
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A bomber pilot has a ideological aim to destroy a target as well as a terrorist.
The difference here is what the target is.
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Original post by newpersonage
The pilots who fly bombing raids over Syria, rubbelizing the whole country and killing thousands of civilians also believe they are in the right.
You've been watching too many films about the Blitz.
Also, the bombing raids aren't deliberately designed to target civilians in non-combat or military areas (TBH, I can't unequivocally say that this applies to the Russians, but one would hope so).
So, clearly the terrorist is worse.
Your transparent attempt at whataboutery clearly highlights your agenda and sympathies.
(edited 8 years ago)
Original post by AlifunArnab
Why is the nation unstable in the first place?
Mainly due to the dictators which have ran them for so long.
I know you want to blame the West but they were not stable places before the West intervened.
Original post by newpersonage
The terrorists who attacked Paris believed that they were fighting for a good cause and even died for it. They mercilessly killed civilians.
The pilots who fly bombing raids over Syria, rubbelizing the whole country and killing thousands of civilians also believe they are in the right.
No war has been declared by the Western forces and although the ISIS forces have declared war on the West this was not an "official declaration".
Who is worst?
The pilots who fly bombing raids over Syria, rubbelizing the whole country and killing thousands of civilians also believe they are in the right.
No war has been declared by the Western forces and although the ISIS forces have declared war on the West this was not an "official declaration".
Who is worst?
I think that is a damn good question as it forces us to examine when we think violence is legitimate and against whom.
Is knowingly killing civilians occupying or neighbouring a military installation and calling it "collateral damage" so very different from simply killing civilians? What about airstrikes on a hospital?
Western countries are carrying out targeted assassinations against individuals without trial. We didn't like it when Mossad or the KGB did it. Why is it OK now?
Our laws permit violence against another country if war is declared. But ISIS is not a country so there is a legal grey area there. We cannot declare war on them and we refuse to accept their declaration of war because that would legitimise their existence by us acknowledging it. Our international laws were not made for this kind of situation.
Morally, I think there is an obvious difference.
Also, there are traditions in how to conduct a war and modern terrorism does not conform with them - intentionally, because it works for them. But it leaves us shocked at the unexpected approach. Just as sending a gunboat to shell the president's palace or the city's town hall to make the population conform to our will did in the past.
No, I have no answers. Only more questions. :-)
Original post by DiddyDec
Mainly due to the dictators which have ran them for so long.
I know you want to blame the West but they were not stable places before the West intervened.
I know you want to blame the West but they were not stable places before the West intervened.
The middle east was more stable before the west interfered , just look at Iraq before and after the US invasion.
Original post by TSR Mustafa
The middle east was more stable before the west interfered , just look at Iraq before and after the US invasion.
The Kurdish Genocide?
Original post by DiddyDec
The Kurdish Genocide?
Not an expert in Iraq's history , but surely it's better than just pure anarchy. That area is now a breeding ground for terrorism which will affect the rest of the world.
Original post by TSR Mustafa
Not an expert in Iraq's history , but surely it's better than just pure anarchy. That area is now a breeding ground for terrorism which will affect the rest of the world.
Genocide is better? How about the Iraq/Iran war which had an estimated death toll of 500,000? In fact it is estimated that under Saddam's rule 70 - 125 civilians died everyday due to his actions.
That doesn't sound better to me.
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