Hello, it's ADELE.

It's because women are strong and we live in a patriarchy which has put women into a disadvantage.

Gays love strong women as a result, even Her Highness The Rt Hon The Baroness Thatcher. It's definitely not just gay teenagers or Madonna would have no fans left.

I wouldn't say ADELE has a cult or that her main fanbase is the gays. ADELEGEND's fanbase is the general public. No gay icons have captured the world as much as she has - ADELE is now giving us the biggest musical event since The Beatles - not even Michael Jackson peaked as high.

Some women are strong. Is Adele an example? Possibly. Are women at a disadvantage? No not really. Are these pop singers fans mostly gay males? No but gay males so tend to do this weird cult thing with them. I've thought about it, and such behaviour basically reminds me of 15 year old girl behaviour. In that sense i guess that makes sense for certain types of guys.

Don't compare this pop singer (she might be mildly talented) to musical legends though. In ten years no one will know who she is.

her success is remarkable

she is really down to earth and she totally deserves it imo

i loved the Bruno Mars collab :3

Can we also just talk about how great Million Years Ago is, I think it's my favourite song on the album

You're delusional if you don't see how the sales of 25 is showing that this is the biggest musical event since The Beatles. She may or may not be remembered in the future, but this is an historical peak that you cannot possibly deny. The numbers are there.

This is without mentioning the fact that people of those times trashed the Fab Four to death, and for good reasons. The poppy, repetitive songs; the teenage fanbase; the lack of singing talent. People also thought Madonna was a one album wonder, and instead believed that Cyndi Lauper would be the future legend.

On to more modern times, you have Britney Spears versus Christina Aguilera where everyone thought Spears would be the fad. Katy Perry was seen as a one hit wonder when 'I Kissed A Girl' came out, then a two hits wonder when 'Hot n Cold' also smashed; she then defied the expectation of her being a one-album wonder with the incredibly success of Teenage Dream. Hell, people kept saying Rihanna would be over after every one of her single, yet she's still here and is more popular than ever. Rihanna, the pop star who can't sing, can't dance, not pretty, rude/not likeable, lazy, can't write, not popular in award shows, not popular among songwriters, and sings leftovers from other artists for a living.

I also don't think you realise how massive 21 actually was. It's obviously an absolute monster in this century so let's compare it to the biggest of all-time only:
- biggest-selling solo album in the UK, No 4 overall - outsold even Michael Jackson's Thriller;
- best-performing album in the US in history based on chart position, second to, well, no-one;
- biggest-selling female single ever ('Rolling In The Deep', second to, once again, no-one.
And these are only the impactful feats.

Overall sales the album is No 34 in the world conservatively estimating, or at No 15 of all-time if you go by claimed shipments.

So what are these other 33 albums on top of 21? They were released by Michael Jackson, The Eagles, Led Zeppelin, Shania Twain, AC/DC, Fleetwood Mac, Bob Marley, Alanis Morissette, The Beatles, Céline Dion, Guns n
Roses, Dire Straits, Bruce Springsteen, ABBA, Simon & Garfunkel, Meat Loaf, U2, Queen, Mariah Carey, Madonna, several soundtracks.

Among these people, only Morissette, Dire Straits, and Meat Loaf are forgotten. The odds are against you if you think after 21, any artist can just be totally forgotten in 10 years. Limiting to the Top 15, you'd have only Morissette left, whose follow-up album never reached the impact 25 is having, and whose Jagged Little Pill was released in a much better climate, with much weaker hits.

The opening sales of 25 obviously doesn't mean she'll go down nicely in history, as we can see from *Nsync not really being remembered after they disbanded (though Justin Timberlake is still one of the biggest stars we have). But it's a reflection of the impact of 21, a showcase of 21's legacy if you wish. There were massive albums before, released by the aforementioned Morissette, Norah Jones, and so on. But none of their follow-ups experienced anything like this - none of anyone's follow-up experienced anything like this. And the facts are there - 21 clearly infiltrated the heart of both the album-buying public and the general public who would normally not buy an album.

Adele, now looking to be at least like Céline Dion - not much impact overall, massive seller, will be remembered for a hit or two, and will always be remembered ever if she doesn't sell much after a decade. And optimistically, she wouldn't really do much more than that since she doesn't change her musical style drastically and is mostly selling the voice/emotion. But of course she can always pull a Whitney Houston whose legacy, for better or worse, was enhanced by drugs, misbehaviour, public meltdowns, and general messiness.

---

I really can't see how you think Adele has a 'cult'. She's one of those artists (like P!nk, Kelly Clarkson,Garth Brooks, Kate Bush, Sade, The Eagles) who sells a lot but don't seem to have a massive online 'stan' presence around. She's not someone who can win every internet poll, like Madonna, Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, Justin Bieber, One Direction, Britney Spears, Carrie Underwood, Beyoncé etc. In fact, no-one talks about Adele when she's on break.

I also think the delusional perception that pop divas are propped up by the gays is just clearly not true. There are simply not enough gay people to send all those Katy Perry songs to No 1 or get 1989 to sell 8 million copies world-wide.

---

Lastly, I want to point out to you that Noel from Oasis, whose UK first-week record will be broken by 25, opined that Adele would be forgotten in two years after 2011. Don't follow his footsteps.

Hiding in a cave to escape from Hurricane ADELE. Just like Sam Smith who said he's taking a break, Rihanna who allegedly is pushing back her album further to avoid ADELE, and Ed Sheeran who explicitly said he's pushing his album back for several months so he doesn't have to complete against ADELE at the Grammy's.

I suppose they will be forming an orderly queue so that only one album by a big player is out at a time.

If they want a No 1, yes.

Or it'll be like Susan Boyle's I Dreamed a Dream blocking both Alicia Keys (400k+) and Mary J Blige (300k+).

Rumour has it Rihanna is releasing next week, alongside Coldplay. The first two casualties.

And by that of course I mean after Justin Bieber (whose massive 'Sorry' was completely overshadowed by 'Hello' and Ariana Grande (whose 'Focus' couldn't even managed to go No 1 for one split second during 'Hello''s second week and is not rumoured to be scraping her album.

Killing careers, ADELEGEND is not playing. Poor Lady Gaga and the electro-pop sound.

At least she gave careers to Lana Del Rey, Lorde, Sam Smith, Emeli Sandé, Ed Sheeran, Meghan Trainor, Jessie J; boosted those of John Legend's, Justin Timberlake's, Bruno Mars's, Ryan Tedder's, Taylor Swift's etc.

You really know your stuff about music artists, genuinely! When you put thins that way, Adele seems to have a lot of power.

And by that of course I mean after Justin Bieber (whose massive 'Sorry' was completely overshadowed by 'Hello') and Ariana Grande (whose 'Focus' couldn't even managed to go No 1 for one split second during 'Hello''s second week and is not rumoured to be scraping her album.

Killing careers, ADELEGEND is not playing. Poor Lady Gaga and the electro-pop sound.

You're delusional if you don't see how the sales of 25 is showing that this is the biggest musical event since The Beatles. She may or may not be remembered in the future, but this is an historical peak that you cannot possibly deny. The numbers are there.

This is without mentioning the fact that people of those times trashed the Fab Four to death, and for good reasons. The poppy, repetitive songs; the teenage fanbase; the lack of singing talent. People also thought Madonna was a one album wonder, and instead believed that Cyndi Lauper would be the future legend.

On to more modern times, you have Britney Spears versus Christina Aguilera where everyone thought Spears would be the fad. Katy Perry was seen as a one hit wonder when 'I Kissed A Girl' came out, then a two hits wonder when 'Hot n Cold' also smashed; she then defied the expectation of her being a one-album wonder with the incredibly success of Teenage Dream. Hell, people kept saying Rihanna would be over after every one of her single, yet she's still here and is more popular than ever. Rihanna, the pop star who can't sing, can't dance, not pretty, rude/not likeable, lazy, can't write, not popular in award shows, not popular among songwriters, and sings leftovers from other artists for a living.

I also don't think you realise how massive 21 actually was. It's obviously an absolute monster in this century so let's compare it to the biggest of all-time only:
- biggest-selling solo album in the UK, No 4 overall - outsold even Michael Jackson's Thriller;
- best-performing album in the US in history based on chart position, second to, well, no-one;
- biggest-selling female single ever ('Rolling In The Deep', second to, once again, no-one.
And these are only the impactful feats.

Overall sales the album is No 34 in the world conservatively estimating, or at No 15 of all-time if you go by claimed shipments.

So what are these other 33 albums on top of 21? They were released by Michael Jackson, The Eagles, Led Zeppelin, Shania Twain, AC/DC, Fleetwood Mac, Bob Marley, Alanis Morissette, The Beatles, Céline Dion, Guns n
Roses, Dire Straits, Bruce Springsteen, ABBA, Simon & Garfunkel, Meat Loaf, U2, Queen, Mariah Carey, Madonna, several soundtracks.

Among these people, only Morissette, Dire Straits, and Meat Loaf are forgotten. The odds are against you if you think after 21, any artist can just be totally forgotten in 10 years. Limiting to the Top 15, you'd have only Morissette left, whose follow-up album never reached the impact 25 is having, and whose Jagged Little Pill was released in a much better climate, with much weaker hits.

The opening sales of 25 obviously doesn't mean she'll go down nicely in history, as we can see from *Nsync not really being remembered after they disbanded (though Justin Timberlake is still one of the biggest stars we have). But it's a reflection of the impact of 21, a showcase of 21's legacy if you wish. There were massive albums before, released by the aforementioned Morissette, Norah Jones, and so on. But none of their follow-ups experienced anything like this - none of anyone's follow-up experienced anything like this. And the facts are there - 21 clearly infiltrated the heart of both the album-buying public and the general public who would normally not buy an album.

Adele, now looking to be at least like Céline Dion - not much impact overall, massive seller, will be remembered for a hit or two, and will always be remembered ever if she doesn't sell much after a decade. And optimistically, she wouldn't really do much more than that since she doesn't change her musical style drastically and is mostly selling the voice/emotion. But of course she can always pull a Whitney Houston whose legacy, for better or worse, was enhanced by drugs, misbehaviour, public meltdowns, and general messiness.

---

I really can't see how you think Adele has a 'cult'. She's one of those artists (like P!nk, Kelly Clarkson,Garth Brooks, Kate Bush, Sade, The Eagles) who sells a lot but don't seem to have a massive online 'stan' presence around. She's not someone who can win every internet poll, like Madonna, Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, Justin Bieber, One Direction, Britney Spears, Carrie Underwood, Beyoncé etc. In fact, no-one talks about Adele when she's on break.

I also think the delusional perception that pop divas are propped up by the gays is just clearly not true. There are simply not enough gay people to send all those Katy Perry songs to No 1 or get 1989 to sell 8 million copies world-wide.

---

Lastly, I want to point out to you that Noel from Oasis, whose UK first-week record will be broken by 25, opined that Adele would be forgotten in two years after 2011. Don't follow his footsteps.

Have you ever listened to the Beatles?

Also, high album sales are not the criteria for good music...

Do you think donut-gate hurt her career (professionally and commercially) loads? She's scraping her album now?

I still like EDMs though, and LG has some pipes and may be comparatively equal to Adele's voice, no?

Yes. Have you?

It's an undeniable fact that The Beatles were despised by the older generation of the time, with their repetitive and shorter songs on limited matters and teenage following.



And where did I say sales = quality??

And yeah it's quite clear. She loves me yeah yeah yeah and love love me do you know I love you are perfect examples of that.

You cannot argue that the Beatles are repetitive based on their early work, everyone who knows anything about music (though to be fair you do know a hell of a lot about pop music) realizes that before 1965 the Beatles weren't that great and were repetitive, it's their albums such as Sgt Pepper, Revolver and The White Album that make them one of the best musical acts of all time. The Beatles were revolutionary and nobody before them did the things they did. The same can't be said for Adele who's music is about as unoriginal as it get's, which to be fair you kind of alluded to.

You never stated properly that sales equal quality, but your claims to Adele's legend status seems to be mostly based on her breaking sales records.

The only reason she sells so much is because her music is easy to listen to and people who don't listen to music much and don't care about music and just want something nice to listen to listen to stuff like Adele.

I'm not saying that people who care about music don't listen to Adele, I'm not trying to claim you don't care about music, I mean she's not a bad artist per say (I can't stand her songs because I just find them tedious), but it's not like I can't understand people liking her.

But the point I'm making is that she won't be a legendary musician, in my personal opinion you have to be individual and push boundaries in music to be legendary which Adele hasn't done.

She may be legendary in pop culture however, I mean Elton John's still remembered for his music despite not pushing boundaries, he just wrote and sung some brilliant pop songs.