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Original post by Cin.Na.
I'll answer you, I hope you will catch the hint.

Every religion has restrictions and requirements about new followers.


The only religion to force people to act as Muslims is Islam. No other religion using force for gathering followers. The other way round, well developed religions restrict followers and demand them to be a high level human beings.


Only Islam force every rat on the planet to become Muslim, only they don't have requirements and exams, and don't put efforts to uplift the spirit of their followers.

That is a pitiful religion, I am telling you....


Only rapes and killings in their minds.....no peace, no beauty, no love. Nothing.


It will pass away and normal people will wonder what was that Islam? like nowadays people wonder what was the Mayan culture killing people for the God's fun and food?


No blood being wasted - God is putting them under exam - and they fail.


Let them kill and rape, God will take its revenge for the killed and raped, trust me.

God is above us all.


........Are you aware that God tells Muslims not to enforce religion upon others? God also tells Muslims not to kill, or harm, INNOCENT people. I agree with you on what you said about God taking revenge on people who kill and rape, the victims of murders, rapes, etc. deserve justice. But Muslims are not rapists nor murderers... certain PEOPLE are murderers, rapists, etc.

Islam spreads peace and it's truly unfortunate that you can't look behind the eyes of the media to see that real Muslims are not the terrorists you see on TV.

Also, as I said before in my previous post, there are people from all religions who do evil, we don't blame Christians for Hitler, The KKK or the Catholic priests who have a reputation for raping little boys nor do we see it on the news..

I just think it's really stupid I have to stick up for my religion because there are terrorists claiming to be a part of a religion they don't even follow properly.
Let's be quite clear on this, for all of you living in ignorance. These attacks are not being coordinated by members of the muslim community, read the Quran and you will see where God says that one who kills someone else unlawfully, it is like he has killed every person on Earth, it is that great of a sin. Furthermore, suicide is forbidden in Islam, yet some of you are saying that suicide bombers shouted 'Allahu Akbar', they've just gone against one of the core beliefs in Islam that your life belongs to God, it is not yours to take.

AND in the Quran, God states 'he who wishes to disbelieve, let him disbelieve'. Hence, Islam does NOT force anyone to follow Islam, anyone who does use such force is not a muslim. It is foolish of anyone to say these ISIS members, or any other terrorist is a muslim, you'll notice that 'terrorists' didn't even exist until the war in Afghanistan started, in which George.W.Bush himself stated that the US was to blame for the creation of ISIS and all these other vile abominations that have occurred. Read behind the politics and you'll realise that the West is a lot more involved in the causes behind these attacks. Religion is not a pretext for war, it is just an excuse used by politicians to start a war, as war is how they make their money!
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Original post by HGS345
Let's be quite clear on this, for all of you living in ignorance. These attacks are not being coordinated by members of the muslim community, read the Quran and you will see where God says that one who kills someone else unlawfully, it is like he has killed every person on Earth, it is that great of a sin. Furthermore, suicide is forbidden in Islam, yet some of you are saying that suicide bombers shouted 'Allahu Akbar', they've just gone against one of the core beliefs in Islam that your life belongs to God, it is not yours to take.

AND in the Quran, God states 'he who wishes to disbelieve, let him disbelieve'. Hence, Islam does NOT force anyone to follow Islam, anyone who does use such force is not a muslim. It is foolish of anyone to say these ISIS members, or any other terrorist is a muslim, you'll notice that 'terrorists' didn't even exist until the war in Afghanistan started, in which George.W.Bush himself stated that the US was to blame for the creation of ISIS and all these other vile abominations that have occurred. Read behind the politics and you'll realise that the West is a lot more involved in the causes behind these attacks. Religion is not a pretext for war, it is just an excuse used by politicians to start a war, as war is how they make their money!


Terrorists didn't exist till Afghanistan.... Classic


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Original post by Hasan_Ahmed
If you don't see clear and unconditional condemnation, either you're blind, or you're only looking at the news at a superficial level. Or perhaps you don't check to see if there are any condemnations? You realise that it's not sensationalist enough when we condemn it for us to make it into the big news? Evidence:

http://muslimmatters.org/2015/11/14/the-paris-massacre-assessing-the-muslim-response/



http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/british-muslims-are-literally-paying-to-condemn-isis-so-everyone-can-stop-going-on-about-it-now--b1V6zQTOKe

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/commonwordcommonlord/2014/08/think-muslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.html

http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com/

http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-ramadan-war-muslim-leaders-condemn-islamic-state-attacks-call-holy-month-time-1990904

http://www.ibtimes.com/india-muslim-leaders-condemn-isis-religious-scholars-endorse-fatwa-lambasting-islamic-2083620

http://www.christianpost.com/news/top-islamic-university-muslim-leaders-condemn-isis-slaughter-of-ethiopian-christians-say-it-goes-against-any-religion-137976/

http://bridge.georgetown.edu/here-are-the-many-muslim-condemnations-of-isis-youve-been-looking-for/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmgGG8CbsLI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAxIOC8Zisc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hMy3e2x5e8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iAWOS9Ac44

You have now indicated your failure to differentiate between muslim groups by talking about it in terms of 'them muslims killing each other' in a situation where there is a clear oppressive group (wahaabis) and several groups subjected to persecution - shi'a, ahmediyya, moderate sunnis, mutazzili, ibadi.
Look objectively and take your 'us vs them' glasses off.
From http://muslimmatters.org/2015/08/24/...gery-part-one/ :
"They are our brothers who transgressed against us"

Your brothers - your problem. Don't whine, you are 1.5 billion "true" Muslims. Fight them, defeat them and the whole world will applaud you.
Original post by admonit
From http://muslimmatters.org/2015/08/24/...gery-part-one/ :
"They are our brothers who transgressed against us"

Your brothers - your problem. Don't whine, you are 1.5 billion "true" Muslims. Fight them, defeat them and the whole world will applaud you.


We are fighting them. They're not only a threat to us, so it'd make sense for you to help if we ask for it. They might be mainly attacking us, but they're also attacking you, albeit to a lesser extent. You don't have to help us fight them. As far as I can tell, Russia, Iran, Hezbollah and the Syrian army can do this without western help. In fact, without western aid to so called rebels, we wouldn't have it this bad right now.
Original post by Ace123
After yet more terrible terror attacks in France is it time that Europe faces reality and bans Islam & muslim immigration to Europe, muslim attacks seems never ending, 9/11, 7/7, Lee Rigby, Madrid Bombings, Belgium attacks, Rotherham Abuse, Charlie Hebdo & now more attacks in Paris.


You know Islam is a religion on peace and anyone who kills an innocent person can no longer call themselves muslim! Also 94% of all terrorist attacks are committed by non-muslims. Dont forget about the KKK etc! Dont just pin point it all on muslims!.

In my opinion the world needs to be more educated on all religions so we dont get more racist threads like this one!
Original post by Bham369
You know Islam is a religion on peace and anyone who kills an innocent person can no longer call themselves muslim! Also 94% of all terrorist attacks are committed by non-muslims. Dont forget about the KKK etc! Dont just pin point it all on muslims!.

In my opinion the world needs to be more educated on all religions so we dont get more racist threads like this one!


'Also 94% of all terrorist attacks are committed by non-muslims.'

Proof?

'In my opinion the world needs to be more educated on all religions so we dont get more racist threads like this one!'

It's wrong, but it's not racist. Islam is not a religion, and there are native, 'white' adherents of Islam who these people would also force to leave our continent.
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Nothing about these attacks represent what Islam promotes and teaches. In the Quran (Muslim holy book) it says "to kill one is to kill all of humanity" - which illustrates that these extremists do not even follow their own religion and are just mentally ill and lost serial killers. Why stereotype an entire religion based on the act of 0.02% of its population? What about the other 99.98% who have no links with terrorism and intend on living peacefully. We do not blame the entire Christian faith for the acts of Ku Klux Klan and we don't stereotype the religion of Buddhism as hostile due to the acts of extremist Buddhist Monks targeting religious minorities in parts of Asia so why is this connection being made for the religion of Islam. Hundreds of thousands of foreign refugees are trying to escape the types of disaster and destruction that most people in the UK could not imagine. As human beings we have a responsibility to help other humans who are struggling and in need ,especially if we as a country are responsible for why the country they are coming from has become a war zone, with no judgement on their religion but characteristics as a person and their plans for the future. Overall, do not associate the barbaric acts of Islamic extremist groups ,which is condoned by the rest of the Muslim people around the world, with your opinion on the other 99.98% of Muslims and the religion of Islam itself (which ultimately promotes peace).
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Original post by wbcsuly
Nothing about these attacks represent what Islam promotes and teaches. In the Quran (Muslim holy book) it says "to kill one is to kill all of humanity" - which illustrates that these extremists do not even follow their own religion and are just mentally ill and lost serial killers. Why stereotype an entire religion based on the act of 0.02% of its population? What about the other 99.98% who have no links with terrorism and intend on living peacefully. We do not blame the entire Christian faith for the acts of Ku Klux Klan and we don't stereotype the religion of Buddhism as hostile due to the acts of extremist Buddhist Monks targeting religious minorities in parts of Asia so why is this connection being made for the religion of Islam. Hundreds of thousands of foreign refugees are trying to escape the types of disaster and destruction that most people in the UK could not imagine. As human beings we have a responsibility to help other humans who are struggling and in need ,especially if we as a country are responsible for why the country they are coming from has become a war zone, with no judgement on their religion but characteristics as a person and their plans for the future. Overall, do not associate the barbaric acts of Islamic extremist groups ,which is condoned by the rest of the Muslim people around the world, with your opinion on the other 99.98% of Muslims and the religion of Islam itself (which ultimately promotes peace).


Why do 26% of British Muslims sympathise with Isis?


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Original post by paul514
Why do 26% of British Muslims sympathise with Isis?


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Because, according to inside sources, ISIL originally was not created for humans, but ordered and specified by a highly developed alien race living on Uranus.
Original post by paul514
Why do 26% of British Muslims sympathise with Isis?


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On a philosophical note: how do we know that you're not some diseased rapist Nazi sympathiser?

Prove it... *Evidence has to be confirmed via a Poll. Any other claim is unlikely to stand up to the test.
Original post by paul514
Terrorists didn't exist till Afghanistan.... Classic


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TSR Member: "1.5 billion Muslims are not terrorists".

Paul: "Durkha Durkha Mohammad Jihadis".

Classic...
Original post by Foo.mp3
No it doesn’t, it just doesn’t deal with it and, yes, may enhance this problem in the short-term (e.g. in the absence of other, similarly drastic domestic policies)

Elements of our mixed economy have come to rely on immigration too heavily as it is. Plus, this begs the question: just how divided must society become/how many innocents must be raped/murdered before action is taken?

You’re assuming that we would profile emigrants on the basis of self-declared religious affiliation alone

Apparently not, unless you’re Belgium, in which case taking action means passively 'monitoring' a ghetto that has become a veritable hotbed of Islamic extremism and closing down your city centre out of fear. These beardy militant types must be having a good old chuckle. Europe is a ****ing shambles

It took just 0.001% of those Syrians in Europe to effect the attacks in Paris

No-one would dispute that. Fact remains: we have major problems with Islamism, and non-integrating Muslims, in the West. The fact a group like ISIS kills a lot of Muslims out East does not negate these facts, nor our right to demand something is done about the situation

Hence, Islamism

An alarming proportion of Muslims support the actions of Islamic terror groups, I’m afraid (as per the stats in my OP)

It’s not necessary, for sure, but it does help (particularly where more militaristic terrorist operations [e.g. ‘domestic insurgency’] are concerned)

Oh well, that’s ok then :h:

Many are, but few are openly, most knowing the importance of ‘doing the decent thing’. The problem is (quite obviously) not just with the doctrine, but with interpretation and adherence. Pick another straw man

Many have, many haven’t

Think again (see my OP for reference)

I’m afraid there is, as noted in this post

Unfortunately not. Limited respect/toleration is insufficient ‘integration’ e.g. they are duty bound to hold the law of Allah higher than any secular laws of the ‘kafir’, and a large proportion are not interested in fully integrating, never mind assimilating; indeed, to do so would be haram

Not where militant Islamists are concerned the 1st generation immigrants have gone about their business relatively peacefully, whereas their offspring, and some converts, have been the ones who have tended to hit the headlines

Correct. Several of the Paris bombers entered e.g. as ‘refugees’, from Syria, in recent months/years. European leaders/authorities have been extremely negligent and they have blood, and will most certainly have more blood, on their hands. Meanwhile, in the UK, Cameron was pressured into declaring we’d accept 20,000 Syrians, and yet imbecilic lefties demanded yet more. It beggars belief


You know what's disturbing? I can't disagree with anything you've written here. Even your fifteenth point, while not according to the principles Muhammad taught to the muslims who were told to seek asylum in Abysinnia about respecting their laws and only adhering to those laws which didn't conflict with abysinnian law - to the point of not praying if the abysinnians banned it, and migrating elsewhere instead - is still accurate to describe the majority of religious muslims in europe. :/
Original post by Bham369
You know Islam is a religion on peace and anyone who kills an innocent person can no longer call themselves muslim! Also 94% of all terrorist attacks are committed by non-muslims. Dont forget about the KKK etc! Dont just pin point it all on muslims!.

In my opinion the world needs to be more educated on all religions so we dont get more racist threads like this one!


For good God sake, please STOP linking racism with religion and culture and making a full mess from totally different things.

REMEMBER:

'islamophobia' IS NOT phobia from Islam.


'racism' IS NOT linked with Islam as a religion.

Religious issues ARE NOT racism.

What is racism then? can you give us a rational and logical definition?

Being racist IS NOT to be anti-Islamic also IS NOT to be Islamo-phobic.

When you learn to use words properly, may be then you should participate a thread about the subject at all.

Every time a Muslim cries for racism it is funny, honestly. Makes me laugh and doesn't help me feel sympathy.

Gaining respect cannot be done by ignorance and lack of knowledge. It is just pitiful to ask for respect and at the same time to cry for such basics.
Original post by LadyCrystal
For good God sake, please STOP linking racism with religion and culture and making a full mess from totally different things.

REMEMBER:

'islamophobia' IS NOT phobia from Islam.


'racism' IS NOT linked with Islam as a religion.

Religious issues ARE NOT racism.

What is racism then? can you give us a rational and logical definition?

Being racist IS NOT to be anti-Islamic also IS NOT to be Islamo-phobic.

When you learn to use words properly, may be then you should participate a thread about the subject at all.

Every time a Muslim cries for racism it is funny, honestly. Makes me laugh and doesn't help me feel sympathy.

Gaining respect cannot be done by ignorance and lack of knowledge. It is just pitiful to ask for respect and at the same time to cry for such basics.


Muslims crying racism is racist in and of itself. The racialisation of Islam is not a good thing for muslims or for anyone else.
Original post by Hasan_Ahmed
Muslims crying racism is racist in and of itself. The racialisation of Islam is not a good thing for muslims or for anyone else.


Just to express my wondering, I still don't understand why the believers in the real Islam don't stop that twisting of the proper truth.


These should be the real soldiers against the twisting of the Islam for corrupt ideology, preventing Islam do gain such a bad reputation.

Why Muslims don't stop that corruption of their own religion?

Other religions are not Islam enemy, Muslims are their worst enemy.


It is Islam inner religion problem, and everybody else has the full right to be unhappy and to take good care against Islam religion problems.


The world is at the edge to enter 3ww for the Muslims being unable to deal with themselves. Islam is the curse of that modern world.

People telling that truth become blamed and victimised, do Muslims believe that is right?
Original post by LadyCrystal
Just to express my wondering, I still don't understand why the believers in the real Islam don't stop that twisting of the proper truth.


These should be the real soldiers against the twisting of the Islam for corrupt ideology, preventing Islam do gain such a bad reputation.

Why Muslims don't stop that corruption of their own religion?

Other religions are not Islam enemy, Muslims are their worst enemy.


It is Islam inner religion problem, and everybody else has the full right to be unhappy and to take good care against Islam religion problems.


The world is at the edge to enter 3ww for the Muslims being unable to deal with themselves. Islam is the curse of that modern world.

People telling that truth become blamed and victimised, do Muslims believe that is right?


You seriously think there are no muslims fighting against this?
Original post by Hasan_Ahmed
You seriously think there are no muslims fighting against this?



I seriously believe it.

The Middle East is messy for the last 14 centuries, do you see any impact or difference in religious sense?
If you don't see results, that only means that no Muslim wanting results. They only wave around Qur'an and shout, kill each other and achieve nothing.

See how the Vatican evolved for these centuries and think what I describe.

So Muslims don't want change, they only want domination. No more.
Original post by Hasan_Ahmed
You seriously think there are no muslims fighting against this?


I very seriously ask you: where do you see any difference and evolution, any change and any improvement in the Islam since the Mohamed's death?

Show me please, and make me believe it. Islam stays absolutely the same, no change, since Mohamed died. It is even based as a law in the Qur'an, don't change it.

Nobody wants to change the word of God or the word of the Messenger, but people DO need change in their lives. It is ridiculous in 21 century to live like in a Bedouin tent in the desert.

I personally don't see sense in sticking to stupidity in a fanatical way, seriously.

And I will believe you, if Islam change idiotic stupidities like marring 4 women, making these women to obey by beating, marrying children and raping them 'legally', also the stupid burkas problem.

Show me how Muslims improved their lives living in their own religion, and make me believe it.
Lol ? This has to be a joke..

This country couldn't survive a day without immigrants.

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