"We need to talk about anonymity for rape suspects."

And how do you arrive relably at this 'solid estimate' exactly?

I notice that you have yet to name who you are talking about or cite any of your sources.



This is an unwarranted and offensive series of accusations and I have reported them accordingly. No one is suggesting that rape is not a terrible crime, but I do not believe that the answer consists of destroying our judicial safeguards and making up statistics seemingly out of thin air. I see no benefit to waxing lyrical about how awful rape is; that is a given. I am simply trying to be practical about this.

I think it is likely that many rapes do not end in convictions. I see no way of resolving this as a justice system without destroying everything that is good about it. What exactly do you propose we do to ensure that more rapes end in convictions, and how do you propose we go about this in such a way that will avoid convicting innocent people?

The act is different, and so is the intent. They are equal in that they both have the potential and likelihood to destroy a person's life.

And here we have it. You should have said it outright! Many people consider rape up there with murder, the very worse of crimes. The very worse experience a human can be put through. You, obviously, do not. I hope one day you change your mind and understand.

I don't think rape is quite as bad as murder, though it's close. With one you at least have the chance to recover, though it takes years of therapy and sometimes medication, and doesn't always help.

You can't recover from death.

So for you, murder is the ultimate crime. And below that rape and any other crime that causes the life of the victim to be drastically altered are all equal and all deserving of the same punishment. All equal. Despite as you mentioned, the recovery process of the rape victim. The PTSD, the therapy, the violence endured, the physical agony, the exploitation of your body on the most intimate level. I got to ask, I really do, do you really believe false accusations to be equal to being raped? Please reply and if the answer is yes, I'll stop barraging you.

Murder is the ultimate crime, yes, because you are depriving somebody of life.

As I said, the two crimes are intrinsically different. They're just not comparable in this way.

Murder is the ultimate crime, yes, because you are depriving somebody of life.

As I said, the two crimes are intrinsically different. They're just not comparable in this way.

Of course boys are more concerned about false allegations of rape than about actual rape. They think that the former could affect them, and that the latter could not, and quite naturally that steers the discussion (they do not yet have daughters). For girls it is exactly the same, just the other way around.

Where are you getting this from?

What is it with younger generations and their total disregard to the fundamental principles of a free society? All humans deserve the right to a trial before punishment. I, and many others, believe that 'innocent until proven guilty' should extend to social punishment, alongside judicial punishments. You shouldn't demonise the act of standing up for the rights of any human beings, whether they're thieves, rapists or terrorists.

You are talking about a person who has possibly been through a very traumatic experience, having to defend themselves for reporting the person that put them through said traumatic experience.

"Criminally charged" =/= guilty

And we would do the same if the charge was murder, theft etc. The justice system can be inconvenient and cause undue stress at times but it is the price we pay for having a justice system in the first place. All you can do is suck it up and be happy you live in a country with a functioning system in place.

What? What's wrong with my post?

Murder? What, you would put a murder victim on trial? That could be interesting...

You're dismissing the discussion about the rights of those accused of rape, and those convicted of rape. Your reasoning for this is bull****.
*hurr, durr, they're rapists, they deserve what they get. Why would you protect them? It must be because you're all boys.*

You need to do Reading Comprehension 101.

We question people intensely who were connected to the murder (even if not a suspect) and will be upset at the recent loss of the victim. No one argues that it isn't a negative overall experience for them but we all tacitly agree that it is 100% necessary.

Why should rape be an exception?

What am I missing? That's the attitude that you, and other people on this thread, have about the rights of these people.

Rape victims are often called to the witness stand in the trial where the rapist is the defendant. That's comparable to what you're saying. I'm not arguing against that happening at all - you're right, it's necessary.

Having the rape victim BE the defendant is something entirely different. It's unnecessary, it will further traumatise the victim and cause a hell of a lot more stress than being a witness.

I haven't made any statement at all about alleged rapists (except on the first page when the thread was still on topic). The statement you quoted was only an observation about the discussion of rape by relatively normal boys and girls on the internet.

But you have made a statement about people convicted of rape. You made it clear that you thought rape convicts were getting an unjust amount of attention and discussion.