David Cameron on UK Muslim Communities: "We won’t let women be second-class citizens"

I see you are building from straw again

none of your posts are relevant to the OP

we are talking about muslim women who have chosen and been accepted into the UK are you worried because you know family who might be affected negatively because of this?

And they are supposed to feel grateful for this?

Yes if that's what Dubai wants but as far as I am aware none of the people who work in Dubai are allowed to become actual citizens

https://www.justlanded.com/english/Dubai/Dubai-Guide/Visas-Permits/Citizenship

But I have no issue with any country saying if you want to be a citizen you must be able to speak the local language

Do you?

I think there was something in the news today about deporting wives of people who work there or something

Imo if you're going to live in the country you should speak the local language, citizen or not. Obviously if you're on a business trip or whatever it doesn't matter but actually living there you should learn the local language

Yes

After all it's not like we are forcing them to become citizens

I'm correct, am I not, that they don't have to if they don't want to

Someone puts a gun to your head, cocks the hammer, pulls the trigger and you're supposed to feel grateful that they didn't have a bullet chambered?

Why is everyone fixating on the 'deportation' threat? Cameron said if people apply to live here as a fully paid up citizen then they would need to pass a language test.

We all know that access to education and information is vital to empower the individual. We also know there is a real and present problem within some cultures where wonen are denied access because it suits the propagation of mysoginist attitudes and practices, fosters a victimhood mentality and continues to exert control.

In this way, women are denied the basics of freedom to choose and are completely under the thumb of their spouse and male relations.

Look past the puerile arguments of language double standards and try to understand why learning English in Britain is so vitally important if we truly want to break the stranglehold of backwards and hidden mysoginy practiced behind closed doors.

I also know someone who can't speak a word of Indian who lived in India for two years. Luckily they spoke English!

Look. Our language is everywhere. Stop moaning and get this stick out our collective arse about people not being able to speak perfect english when we are so useless as a nation in being able to speak other languages at the same time as our language is taking over the world.

Is this how you think we make people apply for citizenship

The grateful part, yeah.

We hang it over the heads of many people, especially migrants, refugees, and asylum seekers, for years on end.

They could always choose to go elsewhere

Oh yes, when someone is unable to counteract arguments made, it usually ends in a "Oh **** off if you don't like it" and a whole ball of spluttering and spit.

Not every Muslim woman wants or needs to work in a fluent English speaking environment. Most are housewives and look after the children so don't need to learn English as they would not speak to others anyway unless its an emergency.

You've made no arguments related to the OP

You've made a few hysterical statements that have little bearing in reality (comparing the choice of wanting citizenship with having a gun held to your head)

Then you end with a personal attack again one that has little to do with reality

Par of the course of course but still...

I have nothing further to say to you but if you feel inclined to carry on discussing, I suggest you find someone else to brainwash.