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Saudi Mufti declares chess as haram

Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti has ruled that chess is forbidden in Islam, saying it encourages gambling and is a waste of time.

Sheikh Abdulaziz al-Sheikh was answering a question on a television show in which he issues fatwas in response to viewers’ queries on everyday religious matters.

He said chess was “included under gambling” and was “a waste of time and money and a cause for hatred and enmity between players”.

Sheikh justified the ruling by referring to the verse in the Qur’an banning “intoxicants, gambling, idolatry and divination”. It is not clear when the fatwa was delivered.

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The region’s clerical establishment figures are no strangers to seemingly strange fatwas, or edicts. In the early 2000s, Saudi and other clerics issued a fatwa against the popular Pokémon franchise, and during football’s 2010 World Cup in South Africa, religious scholars in the United Arab Emirates said that using the widely reviled vuvuzela instrument was forbidden if the sound produced was above 100 decibels. :rofl:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/21/chess-forbidden-in-islam-rules-saudi-arabia-grand-mufti#img-1

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What isn't haram
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mkap
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Just bc one sheikhs made a fatwa doesn't mean other people and sheikhs will agree. It was actually a Muslim who created chess
Of course it's Haram



Look at the grandmasters


:colondollar:
Holy crap there's actually a hadith on this.


"Buraida reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: He who played chess is like one who dyed his hand with the flesh and blood of swine." Sahih Muslim 28-5612
Original post by mkap
Just bc one sheikhs made a fatwa doesn't mean other people and sheikhs will agree.

It's forbidden in the Sahih Hadiths and apparently even the Shia Ayatollahs have forbidden it.

It was actually a Muslim who created chess


Nope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_chess
Original post by mkap
Just bc one sheikhs made a fatwa doesn't mean other people and sheikhs will agree. It was actually a Muslim who created chess


You do't know your own religion very well, do you?

Abu Dawood (4938) narrated from Abu Moosa al-Ash’ari that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever plays dice has disobeyed Allaah and His Messenger.” (Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 4129)
Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “Chess is like dice in that it is forbidden.” (al-Mughni, 14/155)
Sahih Muslim Hadith 5612 Narrated by Buraydah ibn al-Hasib Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) said: "He who played chess is like one who dyed his hand with the flesh and blood of swine"

It was narrated that ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah be pleased with him) passed by some people who were playing chess. He said, “What are these images, to which you are devoted? [cf. al-Anbiya’ 21:52]” Imaam Ahmad said: “The soundest comment on chess what that which was said by ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him).”

‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) was asked about chess and he said, “It is worse than dice."

And chess appears to have been invented in India, well before Islam. Nice try.
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Original post by carlskep


Very similar to so called Islamic/Arabic mathematics.


It was Persians and Hindus actually doing it lol.
Original post by carlskep
It's forbidden in the Sahih Hadiths and apparently even the Shia Ayatollahs have forbidden it.



Nope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_chess


hehehe pretty much just waiting for someone to post this
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Original post by Achaea
You do't know your own religion very well, do you?

Abu Dawood (4938) narrated from Abu Moosa al-Ash’ari that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever plays dice has disobeyed Allaah and His Messenger.” (Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 4129)
Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “Chess is like dice in that it is forbidden.” (al-Mughni, 14/155)
Sahih Muslim Hadith 5612 Narrated by Buraydah ibn al-Hasib Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) said: "He who played chess is like one who dyed his hand with the flesh and blood of swine"

It was narrated that ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah be pleased with him) passed by some people who were playing chess. He said, “What are these images, to which you are devoted? [cf. al-Anbiya’ 21:52]” Imaam Ahmad said: “The soundest comment on chess what that which was said by ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him).”

‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) was asked about chess and he said, “It is worse than dice."

And chess appears to have been invented in India, well before Islam. Nice try.


Original post by carlskep
It's forbidden in the Sahih Hadiths and apparently even the Shia Ayatollahs have forbidden it.



Nope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_chess
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Like i said there is a difference of opinion. https://islamqa.info/en/14095

Al-Dhahabi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “With regard to chess, most of the scholars say that it is haraam to play it, whether that is for money or not. If it is played for money then it is indisputably gambling. Even if it is not played for money it is still gambling and haraam, according to most of the scholars… al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about playing chess, is it forbidden or permissible? He (may Allaah have mercy on him) replied that if it makes a person miss praying on time or he plays for money, then it is haraam, otherwise it is makrooh according to al-Shaafa’i and haraam according to others…” (al-Kabaa’ir, 89-90)
Original post by SonOfTheGun
Very similar to so called Islamic/Arabic mathematics.


It was Persians and Hindus actually doing it lol.


And Zoroastrian Persians at that! Well before the Islamic invasion of Persia.

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Sport/chess_backgammon.htm
Well I'm still gonna keep playing..
Original post by mkap
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Like i said there is a difference of opinion. https://islamqa.info/en/14095

Al-Dhahabi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “With regard to chess, most of the scholars say that it is haraam to play it, whether that is for money or not. If it is played for money then it is indisputably gambling. Even if it is not played for money it is still gambling and haraam, according to most of the scholars… al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about playing chess, is it forbidden or permissible? He (may Allaah have mercy on him) replied that if it makes a person miss praying on time or he plays for money, then it is haraam, otherwise it is makrooh according to al-Shaafa’i and haraam according to others…” (al-Kabaa’ir, 89-90)


So most consider it haram and the others consider it "makrooh" (detestable). Got it.
Original post by carlskep
And Zoroastrian Persians at that! Well before the Islamic invasion of Persia.

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Sport/chess_backgammon.htm




I'm gonna have to burn all my chess sets



'Bishops'? 'Kings?'


Where are the Imams and Sheikhs dammit? :angry:
Also if you really want to be top hipster


Rather than saying checkmate


You have to say 'shah mat' :cool:
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“a cause for hatred and enmity between players”.

Yes, damn chess and its incitement of hatred and enmity between the different sects. Caused so much bloodshed...
Original post by Ascend
“a cause for hatred and enmity between players”.

Yes, damn chess and its incitement of hatred and enmity between the different sects. Caused so much bloodshed...


#GameofPeace
#NoTrueGrandmaster
Original post by mkap
Like i said there is a difference of opinion.


Did you know that Muhammad said "He who played chess is like one who dyed his hand with the flesh and blood of swine" when you wrote this post below? A majority opinion that it's forbidden and a minority opinion that it's disliked, couples with Muhammad's extremely negative opinion of chess, doesn't sound like much of a difference of opinion to me. Still going to argue that a Muslim created chess? Even though Muhammad said what he did?

Original post by mkap
Just bc one sheikhs made a fatwa doesn't mean other people and sheikhs will agree. It was actually a Muslim who created chess
Original post by Dhul-Qarnayn
#GameofPeace
#NoTrueGrandmaster




Oh my god :rofl:





'U ain't no grandmaster bruv'
No big deal.

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