David Cameron on UK Muslim Communities: "We won’t let women be second-class citizens"

unless they will adopt and assimilate into the local culture.

actually, it does. there are better and worse cultures; claiming all are equally good "but different" is a multiculturalism fallacy.

Want to live in England? Learn English. This is literally common sense, I wish he'd just deport them all instead and require them to learn English before they permenantly move here.

So to add to the trauma of seeing their family members die in front of their eyes, living every day of their lives in their homelands fearing for their lives, to then have to embark on an odyssey across Europe often with infants in tow only to be turned away because in between all of that, they may not have been able to fit in the extensive study of a foreign language?

Coming from someone who can't even spell in their first language

I think that's a bit rich.

Then they see their families split, and ultimately they lose out too (incentive for reduced oppression)

Cameron et al. cannot be in their living rooms, or even in their communities, to police this stuff. So, we need some way of ensuring baseline improvements in integration by way of (dis)incentives

"190,000 British Muslim women – or 22 per cent"

There are around 1.3 million Muslim women in the UK. 190,000 is not 22%. I think the government may need to employ a statistician with at least a GCSE in maths. And the general population should stop accepting stats without applying some really basic critical thinking.

It seems as soon as any politician comes into power the British public automatically hates them. It even seems the Americans at least treat their leader with some amount of respect; it's a sad state of affairs if they're beating us in that area...

Sorry, have you heard how the Republicans and Tea party (and their supporters) talk about Democrats, let alone Obama?

Slightly bizarre way of putting it, but nonetheless rings true. That said, plenty of British ex-pats who could also 'take a leaf' in this regard

Next week: David Cameron tackles the same issues in the Jewish community...

...Or not.

You say that but I now people from the UK who live in Spain France Germany and Japan to name a few and all of them can speak the local language well enough to get by at places like the shop or at a doctors.

But if other countries decided to enforce this does that mean you would have no issue with this in the UK as well?

I'm from spain and it is astonishing how many Brits my age have lived here all their lives and don't speak a word of Spanish. Like, they live completely isolated from the local community: they have their own bars, shops, radio stations and even private schools. It's like they live in Britain but with sun.

I'm from spain and it is astonishing how many Brits my age have lived here all their lives and don't speak a word of Spanish. Like, they live completely isolated from the local community: they have their own bars, shops, radio stations and even private schools. It's like they live in Britain but with sun.

These issues are no way near as prevalent in the Jewish community.

Do the Spanish people fund these people?

But it's up to Spain to decide how to handle this and I wouldn't criticise them for whatever choice they made.

Does it really matter who funds the people? Is your argument about economics or is it about integration?


By the content of your posts, it seems to be the latter but suddenly we see you concentrating on the former.

Double standards or cultural superiority, call it what you will.

YesI expect if you want the state to support you and your children you should be able to ask for this in the language of this country

Do the Spanish people fund these people?

But it's up to Spain to decide how to handle this and I wouldn't criticise them for whatever choice they made.

Given this was my first post on the subject


I doubt you've read my posts

So you have no issue with women not speaking English, so long as they don't seek support from the state?

Or try and become citizens yes I have no problem then speaking the language of their country while living in the UK.

I'm guessing you're cool with bilinguals keeping up their mother tongue too