did hitler really kill 11 million people?

I'm going to challenge this.

First of all, let's start with the 6 million jews.

There used to be a plaque at Auschwitz recording 4 million deaths in that camp. It was replaced in 1990 with a new plaque recording 1.5 million deaths. If the six million number included the 4 million at Auchwitz then if the number of deaths at Auchwitz is reduced by 2.5 million then the total number of deaths must have been reduced to 3.5 million.

Now, let's look at the others. If 11 million were killed and six million were jews then there should be 5 million others. If I look at your list (Jehovah’s These dudes I know, homosexuals, disabled people, and Roma) I find:

There were about 1400 JW killed
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005394

There were about no more than 15'000 homosexuals killed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_homosexuals_in_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Holocaust#Concentration_camps

There were possibly as many as 220,000 Roma killed
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005219

There were perhaps as many as 200,000 handicapped people killed
http://www.ushmm.org/outreach/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007683

That tots up to 436,400 people, not 5 million.

I'm going to challenge this.

First of all, let's start with the 6 million jews.

There used to be a plaque at Auschwitz recording 4 million deaths in that camp. It was replaced in 1990 with a new plaque recording 1.5 million deaths. If the six million number included the 4 million at Auchwitz then if the number of deaths at Auchwitz is reduced by 2.5 million then the total number of deaths must have been reduced to 3.5 million.

Now, let's look at the others. If 11 million were killed and six million were jews then there should be 5 million others. If I look at your list (Jehovah’s Witnesses, homosexuals, disabled people, and Roma) I find:

There were about 1400 JW killed
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005394

There were about no more than 15'000 homosexuals killed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_homosexuals_in_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Holocaust#Concentration_camps

There were possibly as many as 220,000 Roma killed
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005219

There were perhaps as many as 200,000 handicapped people killed
http://www.ushmm.org/outreach/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007683

That tots up to 436,400 people, not 5 million.

Awkay well you might be right, I just copied what the source said, those are not my statistics. But also consider that there were more death camps and a lot of people died on their way there or were killed before their way to the camp. And btw, Nazis didn't just kill Jews, but also all Polish people or anyone really who didn't have blonde hair and blue eyes as Hitler wanted to pursue Aryan race so I think 11 million people were the statistics of deaths from the start to the end of Holocaust.

BS. My wife is Polish. Her grandparents lived under Nazi occupation. They actually liked it. The Poles weren't treated badly (unless they were Jewish obviously) In fact, if you speak to most elderly Poles they will tell you that they had it far worse under the Soviets than they did under the Nazis.

BS also that the Nazis killed anybody who didn't have blond eyes and blue hair. That's nonsense.

Probably does depend what parts of Poland and whether rural or city.

The Poles were treated as a cheap workforce, expected to work long hours for little return - working to sustain Germany. It was not the Jewish who suffered - amongst other groups they attempted to destroy the Polish intellegentsia and wished to crush any free thought. They closed schools and universities, destroyed monuments and shut museums etc. to get rid of Polish culture.

You could argue he was responsible for over 60 million deaths (everyone who died in ww2)

Only if you lay the blame for WWII entirely ón him.

I'm going to challenge this.

First of all, let's start with the 6 million jews.

There used to be a plaque at Auschwitz recording 4 million deaths in that camp. It was replaced in 1990 with a new plaque recording 1.5 million deaths. If the six million number included the 4 million at Auchwitz then if the number of deaths at Auchwitz is reduced by 2.5 million then the total number of deaths must have been reduced to 3.5 million.

Well, for a start the plaque never 4 million Jews, just 4 million people. More importantly, studies of the Holocaust never took the 4 million number seriously in their estimates.



See also Poles, Soviets and other Slavic groups.

the international redcross say that 300,000 persons not all jews were killed by nazi regime in the camps so it must have been a lot less than 11 million

The Red Cross did no such thing, they never gave an estimate of deaths.

your wrong type into the internet red cross holocaust and you will see a document with a tally of the deaths in the camps and it said and i quote that 271,000 persons not all those were jews were killed due to the third reich

This is why the Holocaust needs to be rooted into education

The Germans did not believe the final solution was a good thing, the vast majority didn't know what was happening.

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Actually, it was the Soviets that sought to destroy the Polish intelligencia and officer class.The Katyn massacre is the most well known event and was a Soviet atrocity, not a Nazi one. Both during and after WWII the Soviets sent hundreds of thousands of Poles (intelligencia and the "politically difficult") to Siberian gulags.

The Nazis did not shut schools and universities in Poland or try to destroy Polish culture (which is Germanic in nature anyway). The Soviets however were guilty of all these things.

Poles under German occupation in the west were infinitely better off than those that were under Soviet occupation in the east. And if you speak to most elderly Poles who initially lived under German occupation they will tell you that they were bloody sorry to see them leave and get replaced by the Soviet Army later in the war.

Sorry but I don't think your information is quite right. I understand you have a Polish wife but I am not just taking this from the internet, I have recently travelled through Poland and while not Polish myself I also have Polish friends who have grandparents of the right age to have lived through the Nazis and Soviets.

Katyn is a well known Soviet massacre which they tried to cover up and I am aware of this, and this did include Polish intelligentsia along with soldiers, however the Nazi's also sought to destroy Polish culture and 'Germanify' people. They only allowed children to have basic schooling to prevent the rise of new leaders amongst the Poles. (Part of the resistance movement was underground schooling, it was not purely military in nature).

The Soviets may have been worse and had a far longer regime, but this does not mean the Nazi's were goodies! They wished to cleanse Poland of the Poles so they could have the land for themselves to settle.