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Original post by Jebedee
Oh look there's more of you. As much as you dislike the guy, he does not want rape to be legalised. No amount of false press or angry mob tactics will change that I'm afraid.


Really. You mean the 'satire', which he only identified as such when people got angry. Sure.
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Original post by abruiseonthesky
Really. You mean the 'satire', which he only identified as such when people got angry. Sure.


Because he never thought he needed to. He assumed anyone able to read past the first few lines would have the mental capacity to detect it. It's nice to be able to think all of your readers have all of their brain cells but some people put too much faith in humanity.
Original post by Foo.mp3
Unless someone has incited hatred or violence they should not be banned. Leftie thought police, take a chill pill:mute:


And anyone who'd seen what he's said would see he's done both with regards to women... As a fan of ironic punishment I think he should have been forced to do his talks anyway, but there can't be any serious arguments against banning him as a hate preacher beyond whether or not banning them is counterproductive as a result of the publicity.


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It's baffling that people think banning someone from speaking will actually make a difference. We need to have faith that the majority of society will not agree with ludicrous ideas, such as those suggested by this individual (even if ironic). But I assume the 'Regressive Left' is more concerned with peoples' emotions than basic rights.
Original post by Aceadria
It's baffling that people think banning someone from speaking will actually make a difference. We need to have faith that the majority of society will not agree with ludicrous ideas, such as those suggested by this individual (even if ironic). But I assume the 'Regressive Left' is more concerned with peoples' emotions than basic rights.


Are you as critical of the right wing for demanding that 'hate-preachers' like Abu Qatada are deported?

Same thing no?
Original post by mojojojo101
Are you as critical of the right wing for demanding that 'hate-preachers' like Abu Qatada are deported?


Relevance?

Original post by mojojojo101
Same thing no?


Firstly, comparing a satirist and a bloodthirsty radical who openly calls for the 'killing of apostates', is not the same thing.
Original post by Foo.mp3
Oh aye? Hit me with his worst


Regular support of rape (suggesting it should be legalised on private property to teach women a lesson), arguing women shouldn't be allowed to make any independent decisions straight off the bat - he preaches hate against women and with his comments on rape that tips into advocating violence against them.

Original post by Aceadria
Relevance?



Firstly, comparing a satirist and a bloodthirsty radical who openly calls for the 'killing of apostates', is not the same thing.


He's not a satirist though, he's serious. So what that should actually say is "comparing a violent misogynist who openly calls for women to be raped, and a bloodthirsty radical who openly calls for the killing of apostates" - are they really not the same thing?

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Original post by Stiff Little Fingers
He's not a satirist though, he's serious.


What evidence do you have to show that he supports this or is this just something you 'feel' is the case?

Original post by Stiff Little Fingers
So what that should actually say is "comparing a violent misogynist who openly calls for women to be raped, and a bloodthirsty radical who openly calls for the killing of apostates" - are they really not the same thing?


No, they are not. The key difference being one does not promote killing individuals.
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Original post by Aceadria
What evidence do you have to show that he supports this or is this just something you 'feel' is the case?


Does him admitting to being serious count or are we just going to pretend he's a satirist so we don't have to confront the vile nonsense he espouses?

Original post by anarchism101
Odd satirical article that has the author putting a postscript in the comments saying: "One more thing to add is that this article is not satire in any way. I firmly stand behind the recommendations I made." https://archive.is/pTJOi


I could also point out that he's gone on to harassing female journalists as well, including advocating doxxing them and sharing their personal details online, which is clearly not satire, it's harassment, but a confession should be enough


No, they are not. The key difference being one does not promote killing individuals.


Both promote violence and hatred and it'd be overly simplistic to suggest that killing people immediately makes it far worse.

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Original post by Aceadria
Relevance?


Is relevant because both cases are an example of excluding some person from the country because the government/society/whatever doesn't like what they are saying.

However, when it's Abu Qatada it is absolutely necessary, when it's this dude it's an attack on free speech by the fascist PC brigade...

All I'm asking for is a little consistency on the issue.
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Original post by Stiff Little Fingers
Does him admitting to being serious count or are we just going to pretend he's a satirist so we don't have to confront the vile nonsense he espouses?



I could also point out that he's gone on to harassing female journalists as well, including advocating doxxing them and sharing their personal details online, which is clearly not satire, it's harassment, but a confession should be enough



Both promote violence and hatred and it'd be overly simplistic to suggest that killing people immediately makes it far worse.

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If you mean when he said directly after the article that it isn't satire, that is satire. If it wasn't satire why would he backpedal now? That would mean he loses credibility and wouldn't make sense.

No, he was doxxed himself and he said he would post the names of the journalists that lied about him and who they work for, he never said he would post their personal details, that is another media lie.

He has never advocates for violence against women, or anyone for that matter but you are free to find evidence. With 3000 articles it should be easy for you to find a second, non-satirical article advocating violence. No?
Original post by Foo.mp3
1. This article indicates that the vision presented is satirical (dubious, NGL)

2. The article was framed in terms of encouraging women to take care of themselves by way of incentivisation. Not demonstrative of hatred necessarily, and certainly not inciting violence (legalising something =/= condoning it)


Except he openly admits it's not satirical and legalising rape on private property is not incentivising people, it's providing a way back in for date rape and rape in marriage, as well as essentially making kidnapping someone to rape them a less serious crime. It's a horrific proposal and anyone who seriously agrees with it... words cannot describe how contemptible they are.


Can you provide some quotes for this please?


http://www.rooshv.com/women-must-have-their-behavior-and-decisions-controlled-by-men


Can you provide some quotes for this please?


Missed the rape advocacy already linked to in this thread then?

Original post by Jebedee
If you mean when he said directly after the article that it isn't satire, that is satire. If it wasn't satire why would he backpedal now? That would mean he loses credibility and wouldn't make sense.


:laugh: So saying it's not satire is satirical? Most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Biggest problem with your idea is that he never had any credibility to start with.



No, he was doxxed himself and he said he would post the names of the journalists that lied about him and who they work for, he never said he would post their personal details, that is another media lie.


So, he wanted their city of residence with an address kept in reserve for action against them as well as all social media details for what, kicks and giggles? http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/news-opinion/roosh-vs-behaviour-towards-female-10847367


He has never advocates for violence against women, or anyone for that matter but you are free to find evidence. With 3000 articles it should be easy for you to find a second, non-satirical article advocating violence. No?


If you weren't determined to claim it's all satire even in the face of all evidence then no, not really.
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:laugh: So saying it's not satire is satirical? Most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Biggest problem with your idea is that he never had any credibility to start with.

Ever seen those "satire" tags introduced to facebook? Well they were implemented because idiots were getting annoyed when they were fooled by outrageous news articles by getting all angered up about it then being lambasted for being too stupid to see satire.

I don't like those satire tags, they defeat the point of satire.

This is the same thing, people who can read and understand don't need to be told if something is satire but some do. You fall in with the latter.

The very first paragraph refers to Buzzfeed and Huffpost as professional journalists. Does that come across as a factual statement to you?
Original post by Jebedee
Ever seen those "satire" tags introduced to facebook? Well they were implemented because idiots were getting annoyed when they were fooled by outrageous news articles by getting all angered up about it then being lambasted for being too stupid to see satire.

I don't like those satire tags, they defeat the point of satire.

This is the same thing, people who can read and understand don't need to be told if something is satire but some do. You fall in with the latter.

The very first paragraph refers to Buzzfeed and Huffpost as professional journalists. Does that come across as a factual statement to you?


Wrong. I'm well aware of what is satire and what isn't, it's my favourite form of comedy. But if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and claims to be a duck, I'm quite comfortable saying it's a bloody duck and not maybe a chicken masquerading as a duck.

They're journalists and work it as a full time paid job, so yes.


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Original post by Stiff Little Fingers
Wrong. I'm well aware of what is satire and what isn't, it's my favourite form of comedy. But if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and claims to be a duck, I'm quite comfortable saying it's a bloody duck and not maybe a chicken masquerading as a duck.

They're journalists and work it as a full time paid job, so yes.


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Ok, if you had any experience with his writing or any in the manosphere then you would be well aware of their common opinion of Huffpost the like who are often spreading untruths. The fact you aren't aware of this speaks to why you think this is not satire. However, anyone who has read a few articles can catch on.

Here is the quote again "This issue concerns me since I have a sister who I don’t want to be raped, so I carefully examined the articles on Salon, Buzzfeed, and Huffington Post that were written by professional journalists who pursue truth and justice over mass hysteria and delirium."

How about the last few words, can you not pick up on sarcasm either?

Here is another you missed ". Thankfully, a man only has to be told the phrase “rape is bad” at some point after puberty by an overweight feminist to definitively stop his future brutal and bloody rape career."

Again you missed the sarcasm.

I think you should steer clear of any kind of fiction based literature to be honest. You might hurt yourself trying to fly on a broom through a giant peach while trying to harpoon a whale.
Original post by Jebedee
Ok, if you had any experience with his writing or any in the manosphere then you would be well aware of their common opinion of Huffpost the like who are often spreading untruths. The fact you aren't aware of this speaks to why you think this is not satire. However, anyone who has read a few articles can catch on.

Here is the quote again "This issue concerns me since I have a sister who I don’t want to be raped, so I carefully examined the articles on Salon, Buzzfeed, and Huffington Post that were written by professional journalists who pursue truth and justice over mass hysteria and delirium."

How about the last few words, can you not pick up on sarcasm either?

Here is another you missed ". Thankfully, a man only has to be told the phrase “rape is bad” at some point after puberty by an overweight feminist to definitively stop his future brutal and bloody rape career."

Again you missed the sarcasm.

I think you should steer clear of any kind of fiction based literature to be honest. You might hurt yourself trying to fly on a broom through a giant peach while trying to harpoon a whale.




Don't be ridiculous, as I've made clear I'm quite capable of identifying satire and fiction from fact, however you might notice that he repeatedly insists that it's not satire, his behaviour (see the links to the wales online articles with the screenshots of operation bullhorn) goes far beyond satire (at no point has satire involved advocating stalking and harassment). It is evidently not satire, and a small degree of sarcasm doesn't mean the message isn't seriously meant, to suggest as such is just nonsense.

That I don't frequent the "manosphere" (because I'm a socially competent human who has actually seen a women outside of porn) doesn't mean anything - he says it's not satire, the all-round behaviour isn't satire... it's not satirical, and you claiming such just serves to try and sweep the problem of people like this guy and their seriously retrograde views under the carpet.
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Original post by Stiff Little Fingers
Mindless drivel


I'm not interested in what Wales online has to say about it as they are one of the media outlets who lied. If you want to know about Roosh then go to his website and read for yourself. The media just takes headlines and odd sentences taken way out of context. It was quite rightly pointed out that these days a man can declare himself a woman and everyone has to accept it (by judicial force in NY apparently) but a man cannot write an article and say how it is intended.

Everything about it was satire and I don't genuinely believe you are as stupid as you are appearing. Which makes you a liar, which is worse.

I recommend you go watch his most recent press release in full before attempting to partake any more in this thread. I even did the liberty of linking to it in one of my previous posts.
So they just made up the screenshots from his forum as a smear? :laugh: grow up and admit you're wrong. Roosh is not a satirist, he's just a misogynistic bellend.


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Original post by Stiff Little Fingers
So they just made up the screenshots from his forum as a smear? :laugh: grow up and admit you're wrong. Roosh is not a satirist, he's just a misogynistic bellend.


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I'm looking at it now and he specifically states in brackets about the journalists (don't publish addresses but save them for future use).

I don't see anything resembling an admission to not writing satire but feel free to link to it.

You're right Roosh isn't a satirist, he wrote 1 satirical article out of thousands. He might be a misogynistic bellend to you and it is your right to think that but it doesn't justify censorship or the media spreading lies. If he was as bad as they say why would they need to lie?
Original post by Jebedee
I'm looking at it now and he specifically states in brackets about the journalists (don't publish addresses but save them for future use).

I don't see anything resembling an admission to not writing satire but feel free to link to it.

You're right Roosh isn't a satirist, he wrote 1 satirical article out of thousands. He might be a misogynistic bellend to you and it is your right to think that but it doesn't justify censorship or the media spreading lies. If he was as bad as they say why would they need to lie?


You've already been linked the admission that he's not writing satire (the big disclaimer in so many of his posts saying "this is not satire"), but for the operation bullhorn stuff - Satire does not involve, nor has it ever involved, getting people to stalk and harass those who disagree with the message you're satirising.

The media haven't spread lies, everything they've reported has been taken straight from his words. What justifies censoring him is the same thing as justifies censoring the likes of Anjem Choudary - he's a hate preacher and poses a serious risk to women where-ever his talks were going to take place. That's not to say I agree with it, as I've already said I'd have preferred to see him forced to do something despite changing his mind and whether he felt safe or not (it might have taught the little scrote a lesson), but I'm not the one he's preaching hate against.

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