"My Jihad means being humanitarian and helping others"

Reply 20

Farm_Ecology

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Doesnt the term jihad depend on the type of islam involved?

Reply 21

username2097061

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Original post by carlskep

Sunan Ibn Majah » Vol. 4, Book 24, Hadith 2794 » The Chapters on Jihad

Grade: Sahih (Darussalam)

http://sunnah.com/urn/1276430

That's great but you haven't answered the other part of my post which was referring to 'do all sects in Islam agree upon this'?

Reply 22

Lord Samosa

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Basically what others have said about the word "jihad", it's not a bad word and doesn't necessarily mean anything violent. But non-Muslims in the west see it as a Muslim version of crusade due to its use by terrorists and the media referring to them as "jihadist" all the time.

Reply 23

alkaline.

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Original post by The Epicurean

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oops sorry

Original post by carlskep

From the Hadith:It was narrated that ‘Amr bin ‘Abasah said:
“I came to the Prophet and said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, which Jihad is best?’ He said: ‘(That of a man) whose blood is shed and his horse is wounded.’ Grade: Sahih

lol do u know why this is the "best" jihad? because if his blood is shed basically he dies for islam aka he's a martyr aka going to heaven without questioning aka no worries forever

jihad is also not the best deed in relation to all good deeds:

"I asked Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! What is the best deed?" He replied, "To offer the prayers at their early stated fixed times." I asked, "What is next in goodness?" He replied, "To be good and dutiful to your parents." I further asked, what is next in goodness?" He replied, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause." I did not ask Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) anymore and if I had asked him more, he would have told me more."

praying on time and being good to your parents > jihad

also for women : "The best Jihad (for women) is Hajj-Mabrur"

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Reply 24

The Epicurean

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Original post by alkaline.

lol do u know why this is the "best" jihad? because if his blood is shed basically he dies for islam aka he's a martyr aka going to heaven without questioning aka no worries forever

jihad is also not the best deed in relation to all good deeds:

"I asked Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! What is the best deed?" He replied, "To offer the prayers at their early stated fixed times." I asked, "What is next in goodness?" He replied, "To be good and dutiful to your parents." I further asked, what is next in goodness?" He replied, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause." I did not ask Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) anymore and if I had asked him more, he would have told me more."

praying on time and being good to your parents > jihad

also for women : "The best Jihad (for women) is Hajj-Mabrur"

I didn't comment or give my opinion on the Hadith. Someone posted the Hadith earlier in this thread and two people (who quoted) questioned what book it came from. I just posted what book it came from and who narrated it. So if you want to discuss this hadith, it is probably best to discuss with member who actually posted the hadith originally.

Reply 25

Al-farhan

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Original post by The Epicurean

It was narrated that ‘Amr bin ‘Abasah said: “I came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, which Jihad is best?’ He said: ‘(That of a man) whose blood is shed and his horse is wounded.’”

This is the Chain of Narration:

Abu Bakr bin Abi Shayba
Ya'la bin 'Ubaid bin Umayya al-Tanafasi
Hjaj bin Dinar
Muhammad bin Dhkwan
Shar bin Hushab al-Asha'ri
'Amr bin 'Absa al-Salmi

It is found in Sunan Ibn Majah Book: 24, Hadith: 2900 and graded Sahih

This hadith would seem to be very weak for two reasons
1- The weakness of its narrators which is as follows:
a) Mohamed bin dhakwan al azdi rahimahuAllah (ra) محمد بن ذكوان الأزدي: generally accepted as weak narrator
b)Shahar bin houshib ra شهر بن حوشب : forgetful/not strong/ jumps narration chains (ie might mistakenly narrate from someone he did not meet)

2- This haddith comes in another narration which is also weak if not weaker, and there aren't any stronger better narrations to strengthen this hadith

3- This hadith goes against the authenticated and accepted narration in Sahih Muslim of the first meeting between the prophet pbuh and the companion Amar bin Absah radiAllahu anhu.

Now with regards to the greater struggle there are many authentic hadiths which refer to this:
افضل الجهاد أن يجاهد الرجل نفسه وهواه
The best of struggles is the one who struggles with himself against its desires
أفضل المهاجرين من هجر ما نهى الله تعالى عنه و أفضل الجهاد من جاهد نفسه في ذات الله عز و جل
The best of muhagiroon is the who migrates from what God has forbidden, and the best of mujahids is the one who struggles with himself on the worship of God

إِنَّ مِنْ أَعْظَمِ الْجِهَادِ كَلِمَةَ عَدْلٍ عِنْدَ سُلْطَانٍ جَائِرٍ
the best jihad is a just word against a tyrant
أَفْضَلُ الْجِهَادِ كَلِمَةُ عَدْلٍ عِنْدَ سُلْطَانٍ جَائِرٍ
Similar hadith to the one above^^

الْمُجَاهِدُ مَنْ جَاهَدَ نَفْسَهُ فِي طَاعَةِ اللهِ
the true mujahid is the one who struggles with himself to obey God.
المجاهد من جاهد نفسه في الله
Similar to the above hadith^^

Of course no one can deny the great importance of fighting oppression and defending one's land, there are also hadiths which do say the greatness of physical struggle, but it is a general rule islamically that views self struggle as the greatest struggle and physical struggle as the smaller one. Some even go as far as to say that one cannot participate in physical jihad if he has no disciplined naf (self), and that one must start with the nafs first before going any further.
And Ibn ul qayiim ra said:
كَانَ جِهَادُ النَّفْسِ مُقَدَّمًا عَلَى جِهَادِ الْعَدُوِّ فِي الْخَارِجِ ، وَأَصْلًا لَهُ
Self struggle was always given more importance over fighting the enemy outside. And self struggle is the basis of it all.
بَلْ لَا يُمْكِنُهُ الْخُرُوجُ إِلَى عَدُوِّهِ ، حَتّى يُجَاهِدَ نَفْسَهُ عَلَى الْخُرُوجِ
Nay, one cannot participate in physical struggle till he struggles with his own nafs (self)
Also ibn Rajab ra said:
قال بعض الصحابة لمن سأله عن الغزو؟ : " ابدأ بنفسك فاغزها ، وابدأ بنفسك فجاهدها
When some companions were asked by people who wanted to participate in physical jihad, they would say to them ''begin with yourself and fight it first, and start with yourself and do jihad (struggle) with it.''

*There is more to say on this topic we might continue with it later

Reply 26

al_94

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That is their Jihad not everyone can go to the battlefield

Reply 27

The Epicurean

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Original post by Al-farhan

This hadith would seem to be very weak for two reasons

To what extent is an ordinary Muslim allowed to question the isnad of a Hadith that has previously been determined sahih by scholars?

1- The weakness of its narrators which is as follows:
a) Mohamed bin dhakwan al azdi rahimahuAllah (ra) محمد بن ذكوان الأزدي: generally accepted as weak narrator
b)Shahar bin houshib ra شهر بن حوشب : forgetful/not strong/ jumps narration chains (ie might mistakenly narrate from someone he did not meet)

2- This haddith comes in another narration which is also weak if not weaker, and there aren't any stronger better narrations to strengthen this hadith

3- This hadith goes against the authenticated and accepted narration in Sahih Muslim of the first meeting between the prophet pbuh and the companion Amar bin Absah radiAllahu anhu.

Thanks for the information. I think it always better personally to analyse a Hadith in more depth, and looking at its matn and the reliability of individual narrators.

Now with regards to the greater struggle there are many authentic hadiths which refer to this:
افضل الجهاد أن يجاهد الرجل نفسه وهواه
The best of struggles is the one who struggles with himself against its desires
أفضل المهاجرين من هجر ما نهى الله تعالى عنه و أفضل الجهاد من جاهد نفسه في ذات الله عز و جل
The best of muhagiroon is the who migrates from what God has forbidden, and the best of mujahids is the one who struggles with himself on the worship of God

إِنَّ مِنْ أَعْظَمِ الْجِهَادِ كَلِمَةَ عَدْلٍ عِنْدَ سُلْطَانٍ جَائِرٍ
the best jihad is a just word against a tyrant
أَفْضَلُ الْجِهَادِ كَلِمَةُ عَدْلٍ عِنْدَ سُلْطَانٍ جَائِرٍ
Similar hadith to the one above^^

الْمُجَاهِدُ مَنْ جَاهَدَ نَفْسَهُ فِي طَاعَةِ اللهِ
the true mujahid is the one who struggles with himself to obey God.
المجاهد من جاهد نفسه في الله
Similar to the above hadith^^

Of course no one can deny the great importance of fighting oppression and defending one's land, there are also hadiths which do say the greatness of physical struggle, but it is a general rule islamically that views self struggle as the greatest struggle and physical struggle as the smaller one. Some even go as far as to say that one cannot participate in physical jihad if he has no disciplined naf (self), and that one must start with the nafs first before going any further.
And Ibn ul qayiim ra said:
كَانَ جِهَادُ النَّفْسِ مُقَدَّمًا عَلَى جِهَادِ الْعَدُوِّ فِي الْخَارِجِ ، وَأَصْلًا لَهُ
Self struggle was always given more importance over fighting the enemy outside. And self struggle is the basis of it all.
بَلْ لَا يُمْكِنُهُ الْخُرُوجُ إِلَى عَدُوِّهِ ، حَتّى يُجَاهِدَ نَفْسَهُ عَلَى الْخُرُوجِ
Nay, one cannot participate in physical struggle till he struggles with his own nafs (self)
Also ibn Rajab ra said:
قال بعض الصحابة لمن سأله عن الغزو؟ : " ابدأ بنفسك فاغزها ، وابدأ بنفسك فجاهدها
When some companions were asked by people who wanted to participate in physical jihad, they would say to them ''begin with yourself and fight it first, and start with yourself and do jihad (struggle) with it.''

*There is more to say on this topic we might continue with it later

But is it not the case that there is not a Sahih Hadith that explicitly refers to jihad al-nafs as the greater Jihad? I've seen many Muslim dismiss the Hadith as fabricated. Is this true?

Also, would I be able to see which books these Hadith you quoted come from? For example, from a quick search of the Hadith you mentioned "the best jihad is a just word against a tyrant", I could only find a Hadith by Jami' al-Tirmidhi which is rated Hasan.

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Reply 28

Truthman

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Original post by Mathemagicien

The German Federal Agency for Political Education has released a video explaining the origins and meaning of Jihad

[video="youtube;_7m8DzOx_WE"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7m8DzOx_WE[/video]

Not sure what to think about this tbh

Can someone more knowledgeable about Islam please verify what they say?

The words "mein kampf" return to germany.

"mein" = my, "jihad" = kampf (german for struggle).

Mein Kampf (pronounced [maɪ̯n kampf], "My Struggle") is an autobiography by the National Socialist leader Adolf Hitler, in which he outlines his political ideology and future plans for Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf

Mein Kampf & Quran Part 42 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhL2FvWW4ww

Hitler and muhummads quotes/teachings. https://ia700407.us.archive.org/9/items/prophetofdoom/pod.17.s.mp3

To be fair, there is nothing to refute because the video gives no evidence for any of its claims. Its because they know that the "greater/lesser jihad" is not found in any of the authentic/accepted source books of islam.

Fatwa: it is true that there is no such thing as self-jihad, http://alifta.com/Fatawa/fatawaChapters.aspx?languagename=ur&View=Page&PageID=4307&PageNo=1&BookID=3

In koran, the non fighting "jihad" refers to muslims leaving their homes, family, trade in order to join an islamic state.

sura 9.24: Say: ´If your fathers or your sons or your brothers or your wives or your tribe, or any wealth you have acquired, or any business you fear may slump, or any house which pleases you, are dearer to you than Allah and His Messenger and doing jihad in His Way, then wait until Allah brings about His command. Allah does not guide people who are deviators.´ Aisha bewley. http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/9/24/default.htm

[9:23-24]. Said al-Kalbi: “When the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, was commanded to migrate to Medina, some men went to their fathers, brothers or wives and said: 'We have been commanded to migrate to Medina'. Thus, some people liked the command and hastened to execute it, while the wives, dependents and children of others hung on to some others, saying: 'We beseech you by Allah not to leave us to no one, causing our waste and peril'. The hearts of these softened for them and, as a result, they refrained from migrating. These words of Allah, exalted is He, were then revealed to rebuke them (O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith…)”. As for those who stayed back in Mecca and did not migrate, Allah, exalted is He, revealed (then wait till Allah bringeth His command to pass…) [9:24], meaning fighting and the conquest of Mecca. Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi , trans. Mokrane Guezzou http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=86&tSoraNo=9&tAyahNo=24&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2

Once the muslims/converts joined up with muhummad in medinah they started robbing and killing people who had done them no wrong. A muslim must overcome any difficulties which prevent them from acting like what we would call terrorists (killing and subjugating unbelievers). This is what the greater/lesser jihad reasoning is based on.

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Reply 29

Al-farhan

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Original post by The Epicurean

To what extent is an ordinary Muslim allowed to question the isnad of a Hadith that has previously been determined sahih by scholars?

This particular hadith has not been deemed sahih!
If you could show me a reference where and by whom it has been deemed sahih, so that I can look its sources up.
The hadith already has weak isnad.
But it is not the job of the average (lay person)muslim to classify hadiths, but for the scholars of hadith to classify them and extract the authentic from the non authentic and for the people to use the guidelines and classifications to differentiate authentic hadiths from non authentic hadiths.

But is it not the case that there is not a Sahih Hadith that explicitly refers to jihad al-nafs as the greater Jihad? I've seen many Muslim dismiss the Hadith as fabricated. Is this true?

All the hadiths I referenced are authentic hadiths with reliable narrators some of whom are men of Bukhari and Muslim. Add to that almost all of these hadiths can be found in the sahih collections of Albani and before they have been viewed as authentic hadith.
So anyone referring to the above hadiths as fabricated would have to bring proofs and sources. Personally haven't seen anyone refer to the above hadiths as fabricated.

Also, would I be able to see which books these Hadith you quoted come from? For example, from a quick search of the Hadith you mentioned "the best jihad is a just word against a tyrant", I could only find a Hadith by Jami' al-Tirmidhi which is rated Hasan.

Sure thing:
1-أَفْضَلُ الْجِهَادِ كَلِمَةُ عَدْلٍ عِنْدَ سُلْطَانٍ جَائِرٍ
the best jihad is a just word against a tyrant
Narrated in the seyuti hadith book, narrated also by Tirmidi, Ibn Majah and Abu Dawud and by Al-Nisa'i with a different narration chain.
Classed as hassan by Tirmidi, Sahih by Seyuti, Al-Albani viewed it as sahih.
Overall=authentic.

2-افضل الجهاد أن يجاهد الرجل نفسه وهواه
Can be seen in the Sahih collections by Albani

3-الْمُجَاهِدُ مَنْ جَاهَدَ نَفْسَهُ فِي طَاعَةِ اللهِ
Narrated by Imam Ahmed, Al-Tabarani, Al-Hakim, Al-Nisa'i, Al-Baihaqi...etc
Viewd as sahih by Tirmidhi, Al-Albani and Al-Hakiim(naisabouri)

The other hadiths are other narrations of the above hadiths, if I missed out any just remind me please.

Reply 30

The Epicurean

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Original post by Al-farhan

This particular hadith has not been deemed sahih!
If you could show me a reference where and by whom it has been deemed sahih, so that I can look its sources up.
The hadith already has weak isnad.
But it is not the job of the average (lay person)muslim to classify hadiths, but for the scholars of hadith to classify them and extract the authentic from the non authentic and for the people to use the guidelines and classifications to differentiate authentic hadiths from non authentic hadiths.

Quite a number of online sources show the hadith in questions as being Sahih. Maybe they are all incorrect? For example this website, which I have a screenshot of below:
http://qaalarasulallah.com

Also, this online English translation of Sunan Ibn Majah lists it as Sahih on page 65 which I have a screenshot of below
https://archive.org/details/SunanIbnMajahEngVolume4

This website also lists it as being Sahih:
https://muflihun.com/ibnmajah/24/2794

Original post by Al-farhan

All the hadiths I referenced are authentic hadiths with reliable narrators some of whom are men of Bukhari and Muslim. Add to that almost all of these hadiths can be found in the sahih collections of Albani and before they have been viewed as authentic hadith.
So anyone referring to the above hadiths as fabricated would have to bring proofs and sources. Personally haven't seen anyone refer to the above hadiths as fabricated.

I was referring to the specific Hadith, and not ones you quoted. The one I am talking to in particular is this one, which I also remember seeing someone in the I-Soc claiming was fabricated:

the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), said to his companions when they returned from a military campaign, “We have come back from the lesser jihaad to the greater jihaad.” They said, “Is there any greater jihaad than jihaad against the kuffaar?” he said, “Yes, jihaad al-nafs (jihaad against the self).”

Sure thing:
1-أَفْضَلُ الْجِهَادِ كَلِمَةُ عَدْلٍ عِنْدَ سُلْطَانٍ جَائِرٍ
the best jihad is a just word against a tyrant
Narrated in the seyuti hadith book, narrated also by Tirmidi, Ibn Majah and Abu Dawud and by Al-Nisa'i with a different narration chain.
Classed as hassan by Tirmidi, Sahih by Seyuti, Al-Albani viewed it as sahih.
Overall=authentic.

2-افضل الجهاد أن يجاهد الرجل نفسه وهواه
Can be seen in the Sahih collections by Albani

3-الْمُجَاهِدُ مَنْ جَاهَدَ نَفْسَهُ فِي طَاعَةِ اللهِ
Narrated by Imam Ahmed, Al-Tabarani, Al-Hakim, Al-Nisa'i, Al-Baihaqi...etc
Viewd as sahih by Tirmidhi, Al-Albani and Al-Hakiim(naisabouri)

The other hadiths are other narrations of the above hadiths, if I missed out any just remind me please.

Thanks. I am assuming you use Al-Albani as your source of Sahih hadith? I have seen a number of people make criticisms of him.

Reply 31

HAnwar

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Original post by The Epicurean

You are talking about the greater and lesser Jihad? The Hadith that supports this is not a sahih Hadith and isn't found in the major Hadith collections if I recall correctly?

Correct.
It's a weak hadith afaik.

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Reply 32

Al-farhan

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Original post by The Epicurean

Quite a number of online sources show the hadith in questions as being Sahih. Maybe they are all incorrect? For example this website, which I have a screenshot of below:
http://qaalarasulallah.com

I too saw this particular source, but it simply says sahih and doesn't reference it back to a muhadith or a source of its sahih classification. And as said earlier there are weak links in the chain of narration , add to that there are no other chains of narration strong enough to strengthen the hadith, and as said earlier this goes against the authentic first meeting in sahih Muslim between the prophet pbuh and the companion narrating this hadith.

Also, this online English translation of Sunan Ibn Majah lists it as Sahih on page 65 which I have a screenshot of below
https://archive.org/details/SunanIbnMajahEngVolume4

If you look at the Arabic footnotes it says: viewed as weak by imam Busiri ( Shihabuldin busiri), and looking closer this might be a third narration but still contains Mohamed bin dhakwan, and Houshib, and especially Mohamed bin dhakawn who is viewed as very weak.

I was referring to the specific Hadith, and not ones you quoted. The one I am talking to in particular is this one, which I also remember seeing someone in the I-Soc claiming was fabricated:

the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), said to his companions when they returned from a military campaign, “We have come back from the lesser jihaad to the greater jihaad.” They said, “Is there any greater jihaad than jihaad against the kuffaar?” he said, “Yes, jihaad al-nafs (jihaad against the self).”

The hadith you quote has indeed been viewed as fabricated/very weak. It is more likely a saying by a scholar rather than a hadith (as scholars have said).

Thanks. I am assuming you use Al-Albani as your source of Sahih hadith? I have seen a number of people make criticisms of him.