Feminist reaction to kesha contract trial shows why it's scary to be accused of rape.

That's how you define it, I've also seen/heard others says it about the advancement of women's rights which, given the name, seems more plausible


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They're the same thing if you think about it. Women are treated worse than men in general throughout the world. If women gain more rights, the sexes become equal

They're the same thing if you think about it. Women are treated worse than men in general throughout the world. If women gain more rights, the sexes become equal

Honestly, I can see the argument from both sides but mainly I agree with you. People are standing by Kesha without any proof. I'm not saying she's lying but without all the evidence the courts can't possibly go in her favour. Rape is such a difficult topic because it's such a serious crime but it's the heardest one to get justice for. However, this isn't a feminist thing. I'm a feminist. So please educate yourself, feminism is about equality of the sexes and if you think that's a stupid 'group' then you're just a misogonyst

I would say women have more rights in the western world in law, things like maternity leave discriminates against males.

In some nations women are treated worse yet feminists mainly seem to ignore these issues and prefer to campaign to free the nipple.

They're the same thing if you think about it. Women are treated worse than men in general throughout the world. If women gain more rights, the sexes become equal

Mancini, I normally agree with a lot of things that you're saying but this thread has actually concerned me a little bit.

Your obsession with feminism as being bad is worrying - feminism is to do with the equality of the sexes and was named 'feminism' as women at the time that it was so named were perceived as having a lower status than men. Anyone who supports misandry (or indeed misogyny) does not advocate for equality of the sexes and so cannot be a feminist.

As for the rape case, we should not assume Kesha is lying, nor should we assume that the producer (whose name I forget) is guilty. No sides should be chosen until a verdict has proved who is telling the truth in this case.

That is what it started out as but one of the most famous feminists have stated they don't want equality.

I'm aware of that, that's exactly what conviction rates should be judged on


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While the conviction rate for rape is pretty low it's nowhere near as bad as you're making out. It's currently at 57% which hardly means 'pretty much all accused of rape get off'. The right to be seen as innocent until proven guilty is a human right enshrined in our domestic legislation; it should never be taken away from anyone. If it favours rapists then it also favours robbers, murders, fraudsters and every other criminal so if you think it should be changed for rape why not everything else? Like I've already said more than half are found guilty so stop making out like a rape conviction is so rare.


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Mancini, I normally agree with a lot of things that you're saying but this thread has actually concerned me a little bit.

Your obsession with feminism as being bad is worrying - feminism is to do with the equality of the sexes and was named 'feminism' as women at the time that it was so named were perceived as having a lower status than men. Anyone who supports misandry (or indeed misogyny) does not advocate for equality of the sexes and so cannot be a feminist.

As for the rape case, we should not assume Kesha is lying, nor should we assume that the producer (whose name I forget) is guilty. No sides should be chosen until a verdict has proved who is telling the truth in this case.

The feminist and what seems like general female reaction on social media to the Kesha music contract trial shows to me just how scary it is to be a men and be accused of rape. Most of these women who's words I have read on social media sites are simply supporting Kesha's rape claim just because she's a female basically they wish this record producer Dr Luke to be found guilty just because of one woman's word and trial by social media and I guess everytime a female say's something it must be true. The Salem Witch trials clearly have been forgotten about and any other false accusation of another from a woman in the past. I have only seen maybe 1-3 opposing views supporting the accused from women from over 100 messages on social media so it's quite shocking. All I see mostly is an outcry of '' omg how shocking the men attacking females again'' type responses.

Take note that the Kesha contract trial is not even about rape, it's about Kesha trying to get out of a contract with the Sony music label.

For some reason maybe I am wrong Kesha has not taken this alleged rapist to court for rape instead taking him to court to get out of a contract. So I believe it is reasonable to assume that perhaps she could be telling lies to get out of this contract.

In my view I side with the courts ruling on this, the contract should stand and if Kesha claims to have been raped/sexually assaulted and can prove it, take it to a court of law and go through a trial for that not for a contract.

What is your view on the matter?

Note I have tried not to be sexist to females here and I do not believe the above is , it is simply stating my experience in reading the general response to this contract trial and the general response I have seen is mostly female and supporting of Kesha.

You know what's also scary?

Being raped.

My friend was raped and she had to move away from home so she could be away from the boys who raped her

I know people who were raped and were too scared to leave their house for several days after. I know someone who was raped and they developed a serious eating disorder that they still haven't completely recovered from several decades letter.

The vast majority of women, and in fact people of any gender, who accuse someone of rape are not lying, but when people instantly meet anyone who says they were raped with scepticism you can see why people don't always report it. The process of 'proving' rape often involves medical tests, dredging up an experience over and over again that they never asked for and would love to forget and court cases where they have to testify against their rapist, who is often someone they know and probably trusted.

Being raped is terrifying.

You know what's also scary?

Being raped.

My friend was raped and she had to move away from home so she could be away from the boys who raped her

I know people who were raped and were too scared to leave their house for several days after. I know someone who was raped and they developed a serious eating disorder that they still haven't completely recovered from several decades letter.

The vast majority of women, and in fact people of any gender, who accuse someone of rape are not lying, but when people instantly meet anyone who says they were raped with scepticism you can see why people don't always report it. The process of 'proving' rape often involves medical tests, dredging up an experience over and over again that they never asked for and would love to forget and court cases where they have to testify against their rapist, who is often someone they know and probably trusted.

Being raped is terrifying.

I'm not saying it happened and I'm not saying it didn't but I can't figure out what Ke$ha's motive would be for lying about this...

No one has said that being raped isn't terrifying, he is talking about the feminist reaction saying guilty until proven innocent which has occurred here.

She should be lucky that the producer didn't take a court action against her for defamation. A statement alone shouldn't make one liable for an offence, especially if it is a statement coming from an experienced crackhead who could be reasonably seen to just try to avoid the contract with no regards to the person she accused in order to do so.