Gove tells a string of fibs in his "why we should leave the EU" statement

Sadly some people do listen to him, even though listening never seemed to be a skill of his whilst he was Secretary of State for Education. Other than Boris, he is the only Tory MP on the Leave side whose views however factually incorrect will be taken much notice of.

Even though as you point out he is hated by many.

I've not confused anything. DoriaGrayism's stance has already been clarified and it changes little since I still disagree and the points still stand, but thanks for your completely unwanted snarky input on the matter.

"In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."

That's a reaction to an event, not an action in case of an event

Posted from TSR Mobile

Wow...

It does change things actually seeing as you clearly misunderstood and did exactly what you were accusing him of. It's easier to disagree with a made up point. Anyway as I'm "unwanted", I'll retreat and allow you to confuse people all by yourself.

Cheers,

Snarky.

Yes and the event is something that could cause damage.

He didn't say in the event it does cause damage.

It doesn't change anything, since my original point that they responded to was that leaving the EU will not make co-operating with Europe harder. I still maintain that their posts imply that we rely on the EU to have any form of co-operation with Europe, so no, not a straw-man.
I have no problem with you having input, this is after all a public discussion forum, merely the fact that your post literally had nothing to offer to the conversation and was simply you seemingly getting involved for the sole purpose of being snarky.

Yeah thats the reason I intervened though, not because I was being "snarky" for the sake of it, but because I thought I'd point out that you've got it wrong and we already have enough misinformation flying around...

He consistently said:

"I stated that common institutions make continued cooperation easier. No more. No less."

And:

"I didn't say co-operation wouldn't work. I said it would be harder since we would not be part of any common decision making process."

Note the comparative statements as opposed to your interpretation of them as implying that "we rely on the EU to have any form of cooperation." It's just plain wrong.

The quotes you've cherry-picked were towards the end of our exchange, where they're clearly clarifying their position not making one, which I accepted and we moved on. If you're going to wade in atleast make sure you have the whole picture and also that it's relevant.

If we stay in the EU we could join the Euro. In that situation the ECB would be our central bank.

When would the ECB be our central bank?

Posted from TSR Mobile

Yeah, I have read it all, and yet that's irrelevant because the quote of yours I provided about taking his comments to mean we need the EU to have any cooperation at all, was made after the whole exchange and thus should have been made by you, with that "whole picture" in mind.

Sorry, but I'm just trying to make sure people don't get away with arguments that are going to mislead people and turn into yet more fallacies.

This is sad but I suppose you are right, there are a few people that like him and will take his word to be true. It's a shame, really.

Only an idiot would think the banks would leave. Pathetic. They have big banks in small developing countries yet you people think the 5th (soon to be 4th) largest economy in the world will lose everyone

My responses to those quotes was that I believed they implied differently before. They clarified they didn't. I accepted that and moved on. It's not even a complex train of thought to comprehend. I don't know why you're insistent on trying to call me out over this.

I'm not letting go because I don't think it's right to spread a false interpretation of someone's argument in order to 'win'/mislead. Fair enough, you've just said you accepted they didn't mean that, but literally just before that you said "I still maintain that their posts imply that we rely on the EU to have any form of co-operation with Europe."
So sorry if I'm having trouble "comprehending" your incoherent arguments.

Anyway, I appreciate this side track isn't really helping anyone, so whatever, go ahead and continue to bash the EU with reasonably ill-informed rantings

I'm sure our bureaucrats will earn their paydays. They've been quite effective thus so far in ensuring that the UK remains internationally influential in so many fields.

What areas do you believe the UK will suffer in if it was to leave the EU?

Excellent article about Gove's statement on leaving the EU - basically Gove plays the old tabloid game of slagging off the EU with collections of random factoids, most of which are wrong.
http://infacts.org/gove-anti-eu-argument-more-fury-than-fact/

In some of them, he confuses EU policies for UK government policies and in others, he critiques things his own government have put into effect by blaming them on the EU.

It's desperate stuff.

Nice to see that you are lining up alongside Cameron, Osborne, the Civil Service, most of Parliament, big business, the BBC, the General Staff of the armed forces ya de ya.

Basically the entire Establishment.

You "progressives" are really free thinkers, independent in thought, aren't you?

Pretty sure this is a massive logical fallacy right there. Half of the 'Out' brigade are Establishment too, if you haven't noticed, and even if they weren't, you're committing at the very least an ad hominem.

George Galloway, Frank Field, Nigel Farage, Kate Hoey, (and in the last generation Tony Benn and Michael Foot) are the Establishment?? Someone ought to tell them!

He is right, the great and the good are in favour of the capitalist/imperialist European Union and the left have become establishment lickspittles.

On the side of Cameron and the city bankers and the Eurocrats. And against the people of Greece living under EU dictated austerity / misery and the refugees treated like criminals by the EU.

Doesn't the way big business is lining up to trash the possibility of Brexit offer a clue as which interests the EU really represents?

Ask the steel workers whose jobs have been lost because state support is against EU rules if it supports the poor and downtrodden and dispossessed or the powerful elite.

They might give you an answer.