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Asian sex abusers to be stripped of UK citizenship and deported

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Original post by karl pilkington
How can you just deport them because they were ethnic minorities? Even though I kind of agree with it does this mean that anybody can be deported. I'm half welsh but don't want to live there.


If you were an offender, you would loose your right to not live in Wales, as inhumane as that sounds.
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Original post by lilacwanda28
I 100% agree with the education bit. I just have a problem with radicalising the grooming gangs. Surely grooming gangs of every nationality/religion/sex etc are going to be uneducated?


"Radicalising the grooming gangs"? What the hell does this mean?


Yes, not being educated plays a role in crime statistics. Hence why we shouldn't admit uneducated migrants. Asian or not.
Original post by Good bloke
Well, perhaps you can give them a jolly good talking-to when they are released from prison.


thanks for your support :ta:
what would you say to them?
Original post by WBZ144
It certainly does, but that would be other parts of the Quran rather than the verses about concubines on this thread. I highly doubt that those men thought the little girls were their concubines.


You are probably right, we can find better examples. Though it just goes to show that we are spoilt for choice when looking in that book for hateful sentiment toward women.
Original post by Josb
"Radicalising the grooming gangs"? What the hell does this mean?


Yes, not being educated plays a role in crime statistics. Hence why we shouldn't admit uneducated migrants. Asian or not.


sorry, autocorrect!
I meant racialising, I know it's not a word but it's all I could think of, darn siri, making me look stupid and uneducated :colondollar:
ok so are we talking about migrants or refugees?
Sounds like simple populism to me and is really a threat for all people with dual citizenship, if the already existing law would get bended.

In addition - sadly - not every country takes it criminals back, so while they might loose their citizenship, they will still hang around the UK. This is possible with especially third-world countries (war => papers get lost, birth ceritificate lost or just "lost") ... it won't be allways easy for the UK to proove, that a particular person is a citizen of that country, they want to sent them back. (Some countries are known to just refuse to cooperate and using those criminals as diplomatic token.)

In case of e.g. Pakistan: As long as the person is not born in Pakistan and has never applied to get dual citizenship, then although that criminal will look Asian and may have grown up in a backward environment, the person can't be deported.

Concerning deporting before or after prison: Definitely after prison, otherwise this will be used as a caveat by organized crime, because the criminal won't face persecution and can just move.
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Have anyone considered regulating islamic teaching syllabus as a long term solution? In past few rapes cases it seems the rapist was taught its sexual harassment is ok in their schools which are religious schools. The kid is wrong but the school is more responsible. close down all these islamic schools or force them to accept regulated syllabus so they learn the peaceful interpretation of islam and not other bullcrap.
Original post by leavingthecity
You are probably right, we can find better examples. Though it just goes to show that we are spoilt for choice when looking in that book for hateful sentiment toward women.


Yup, that's the main reason why I started to question it in the first place.

Having lived in a Gulf Middle Eastern country I have seen firsthand how religion was used as a means to shame women who did not act or dress conservatively enough.
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Original post by lilacwanda28
sorry, autocorrect!
I meant racialising, I know it's not a word but it's all I could think of, darn siri, making me look stupid and uneducated :colondollar:
ok so are we talking about migrants or refugees?


Pakistan is not a race. They have a cultural problem.

Migrants or refugees? I'd say both.
Original post by WBZ144
Yup, that's the main reason why I started to question it in the first place.

Having lived in a Gulf Middle Eastern country I have seen firsthand how religion was used as a means to shame women who did not act or dress conservatively enough.


Good. I Was brought up in a Christian family, it's more subtle in the Bible and I have seen women sleep walk into abusive and controlling marriages. I'm an atheist.
Original post by Josb
Pakistan is not a race. They have a cultural problem.

Migrants or refugees? I'd say both.


ok, nationalising/culturalising then.

So you wanna stop migrants who want to come to this country to work and refugees who are fleeing terrorism and war?
Original post by leavingthecity
Good. I Was brought up in a Christian family, it's more subtle in the Bible and I have seen women sleep walk into abusive and controlling marriages. I'm an atheist.


PRSOM.
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Original post by lilacwanda28


So you wanna stop migrants who want to come to this country to work and refugees who are fleeing terrorism and war?

Yes, unless they can prove how they will benefit the country.
Original post by Josb
Pakistan is not a race. They have a cultural problem.

Migrants or refugees? I'd say both.


I strongly disagree with refusing to admit people who may well be desperate and fleeing for their lives due to a low level of education.

Rather a better solution is to follow Norway's recent example and introduce workshops to educate men who migrate here on the rights of women, but also how these rights are non-negotiable and that violating them won't be tolerated.
Original post by Josb
Yes, unless they can prove how they will benefit the country.


Original post by WBZ144
I strongly disagree with refusing to admit people who may well be desperate and fleeing for their lives due to a low level of education.

Rather a better solution is to follow Norway's recent example and introduce workshops to educate men who migrate here on the rights of women, but also how these rights are non-negotiable and that violating them won't be tolerated.


This is exactly what I meant. I think it's so morally and ethically wrong to deny these people the chance to improve their lives and escape war. If we were in their shoes, we'd be doing the exact same thing.
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Original post by WBZ144


Rather a better solution is to follow Norway's recent example and introduce workshops to educate men who migrate here on the rights of women,

I don't think that workshop classes can erase decades of backwards upbringing.

Original post by WBZ144
but also how these rights are non-negotiable and that violating them won't be tolerated.

This will be too late for the people abused as a result of your permissiveness.
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Original post by lilacwanda28
This is exactly what I meant. I think it's so morally and ethically wrong to deny these people the chance to improve their lives and escape war. If we were in their shoes, we'd be doing the exact same thing.


We unfortunately cannot accommodate the world's misery.
Original post by WBZ144
I strongly disagree with refusing to admit people who may well be desperate and fleeing for their lives due to a low level of education.

Rather a better solution is to follow Norway's recent example and introduce workshops to educate men who migrate here on the rights of women, but also how these rights are non-negotiable and that violating them won't be tolerated.


Aaaannddd PRSOM

Actually went to rep before I saw the username
Original post by lilacwanda28
ok so are we talking about migrants or refugees?


Original post by Josb
Migrants or refugees?


The status of a refugee, the status of a British citizen and the status of an immigrant (but not refugee) are all different. Thus different laws apply and different possibilities exist. Being a refugee is a special status someone obtains and does not mean, this person does automatically become an citizen or someone aspiring for citizenship.
Original post by lilacwanda28
This is exactly what I meant. I think it's so morally and ethically wrong to deny these people the chance to improve their lives and escape war. If we were in their shoes, we'd be doing the exact same thing.


Again, we have to consider the economics. What we have to give is very limited.

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