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Asian sex abusers to be stripped of UK citizenship and deported

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I don't think that workshop classes can erase decades of backwards upbringing.

This will be too late for the people abused as a result of your permissiveness.

I beg to differ; nearly my whole family is pretty liberal and we were raised in an intolerant, homophobic environment. Education can bring people a long way. And even if the backwards mindset remains, it can at least make them aware of how things are in the country they have moved to and the sort of behaviour that isn't tolerated. Most would be willing to obey the law of the land, even if they don't like it.

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Reply 161

username471863

Original post by Josb

We unfortunately cannot accommodate the world's misery.

Don't exaggerate; we take in a small number of refugees compared to several other countries. That is hardly accommodating the world's misery.

Reply 162

Abbas78600

About time England are doing something. As being a British Pakistani Muslim very happy to hear this. I dont think Pakistan would accept them either.After hearing this I fully more prouder of being British as well as Pakistani.We should all stick together and defeat the problems here in England etc.

Reply 163

Josb

Original post by WBZ144

I beg to differ; nearly my whole family is pretty liberal and we were raised in an intolerant, homophobic environment. Education can bring people a long was. And even if the backwards mindset remains, it can at least make them aware of how things are in the country they have moved to and the sort of behaviour that isn't tolerated. Most would be willing to obey the law of the land, even if they don't like it.

The migrants in Norway don't get an "education". It's a few workshops to adults that won't change anything. It's too late and not enough.

Original post by WBZ144

Don't exaggerate; we take in a small number of refugees compared to several other countries. That is hardly accommodating the world's misery.

The UK has had its fair share of refugees/unskilled migrants in the recent years. It's over now.

Reply 164

chemting

As much as I DETEST these people, in my opinion I don't know if I am comfortable with them being deported despite having British Citizen (or at least being born here)... is there any guarantee that it will only be used for the worst crimes, what's stopping Theresa May abusing this power for any crime (for example, "hate speech").

We could get to a situation like Bill C-24 in Canada... I understand about having national security and safety, but giving more power to the government like this doesn't end well... people abuse it.
There is little guarantee that these measures will only be used for the worst crimes such as terrorism or sex abusers.

That being said, its an abomination that the police are being guilt-tripped into holding as the perpetrators aren't white.

Reply 165

username471863

Original post by Josb

The migrants in Norway don't get an "education". It's a few workshops to adults that won't change anything. It's too late and not enough.

The UK has had its fair share of refugees/unskilled migrants in the recent years. It's over now.

I did not say that it should be exactly like Norway, only that we should follow their example and introduce workshops. The actual workshops could differ in content, length etc. A doctor is not less likely to be a sex offender than an unskilled worker. The rich and educated just have different ways of committing crimes.

Exactly, it is over, therefore it makes no sense to imply that Britain is carrying the weight of the world on her shoulders when so many other countries are doing much more during this recent crisis.

Reply 166

Chakede

Original post by Good bloke

You can only remove the citizenship of those who have dual nationality, which presumably, means it cannot be used against these particular women.

yes thanks, that was the point being made :facepalm:

stick to your specialism of pedantry

Reply 167

Josb

Original post by WBZ144

These grooming gangs indeed count numerous doctors among their members. :rolleyes:

Original post by WBZ144

Exactly, it is over, therefore it makes no sense to imply that Britain is carrying the weight of the world on her shoulders when so many other countries are doing much more during this recent crisis.

No, I mean the UK has reached the limit of people from alien cultures it can takes. Some cities are turning into dumps as a result of mass immigration.

Reply 168

Th!nk

Too bad they can't do the same to British born. I don't consider them British no matter how much they integrate. I never voted for them to come here neither did my parents who vote. Did you?

Reply 169

username471863

Original post by Josb

These grooming gangs indeed count numerous doctors among their members. :rolleyes:

No, I mean the UK has reached the limit of people from alien cultures it can takes. Some cities are turning into dumps as a result of mass immigration.

Those particular grooming gangs did not, no. But there have been celebrity paedophile rings in which the rich and famous have abused children. Sex offenders come in all shapes and forms, regardless of their background.

There was never a time when all cities in the UK were great.

Reply 170

caravaggio2

Does anyone have a link to how many cases, in how many towns across the country, over how many years these "Asian" rape gangs have been operating?
Information that for some reason the usual sources seem to be reluctant to list.

Reply 171

Truths

Original post by HucktheForde

can we stop calling them asian? asian covers a wide range of ethnics.

Why? Maybe she meant Asian...

Reply 172

dozyrosie

Absolute waste of time, it is just political hogwash, not a single person will be deported, all it will do is make the Human Rights Lawyers richer and clog up the appeals system.

Reply 173

username2385417

Original post by dozyrosie

Absolute waste of time, it is just political hogwash, not a single person will be deported, all it will do is make the Human Rights Lawyers richer and clog up the appeals system.

Yep, I certainly see this as being the case for a while...

Reply 174

username2228735

Original post by dozyrosie

Absolute waste of time, it is just political hogwash, not a single person will be deported, all it will do is make the Human Rights Lawyers richer and clog up the appeals system.

Indeed. Look at Switzerland, for example. Stupid Parliament is unable to implement a law brought in by referendum because of the 'Human Rights of the perpetrators'.

Reply 175

Josb

Original post by dozyrosie

Absolute waste of time, it is just political hogwash, not a single person will be deported, all it will do is make the Human Rights Lawyers richer and clog up the appeals system.

Not if we put them directly in a plane when they are released.

Reply 176

Oilfreak1

Original post by Chakede

and yet they arent causing the problem in the uk it is those of islamic background. besides which go to any islamic country and women and children are told not to walk outside at night -why is that

what nonsense the fact is 'asia' is not being equally represnted in these cases in the uk, the culprits in overall grooming convictions have one largely similar characterisitc, hence why there have been grooming groups consisting of pakistani+afgani +kurdish etc so they have met in some islamic society or forum.

the evidence of recent cases shows us this link in black and white

iraqi arab grooming case -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2290210/Mahdi-Mohammed-Iraqi-immigrant-paedophile-allowed-stay-Britain-approaching-young-girls-jailed-trying-groom-13-year-olds.html

kurdish grooming case- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31859931

afganis grooming case -
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2012-05-09/hamid-safi-sentenced-in-grooming-case/

somali grooming case -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2851680/13-Somali-men-convicted-running-inner-city-prostitution-ring-British-teenagers-abused-raped.html

it is true to say that the vast majority of these type cases involve uk pakistanis, but that is only because pakistani is by far the largest muslim group in the uk. given the small number of uk arabs, somalis afganis turks etc - we can still see these groups are involved in grooming also.

as you rightly point out, the refugees that went to germany sweden, etc who then wnet on to cause other rapes etc were all of islamic background and not of asian background - which rahter proves the point - no point in sticking your head in the sand and ignore this. accepting this fact is not in any way ignoring the fact that white people abuse too - that would be stupid when each day we see news reports about white bishops, tv stars and radio presenters .
but your inabilty to accept reality will delay the dealin with this issue in islamic communities,

Your Links:
Showing me that iraqi and kurdish rapists exist in the UK means absolutely nothing, of course they exist and they make up less than 1% of sexual offences in the UK.

White bishops and stars?
Yeah cool here are some british Sikh and Hindu priests, I bet they're secretly muslim? or secretly european??

Vast majority of these cases are pakistani
Yes I highlighted that and the next biggest contributor to asias huge number? want a guess it's not muslim bengalis? Maybe them Muslim Malays? Muslim indonesians?? No?? Still thinking??
The answer is!!! Indians! Indian sikh, Indian Hindu and lets pepper it with some good ole sikh sexual grooming coverup. Just because at present Pakistani offenders are being highlighted and Indians are not does not absolve the heinous acts of either party. If there is an Islamic element to why these Pakistani men are committing these acts then the muslim community seriously needs to act, but unfortunately for hindus and sikhs the religious leaders are the main source of sexual violence.

The ideology
With regards to ideology in islam you can find plenty of threads here stating its the ideology while muslims state its the interpretation of the ideology. As a muslim I believe the latter so feel in order to tackle this we need to educate these men better in mainstream Islam, although I highly doubt abdul the weed dealer who just raped a white chick is an observant muslim anyway.

Likewise Hindus need to address cultural norms in their society like this or this and seriously cow smuggling taking precedence over rape??

To conclude
The Sub-continent clearly has a culture of rape regardless of faith, and this needs to be addressed by the aisian community. With regards to the specific case in rotherham that needs to be addressed specifically by the british pakistani community in that area including the islamic contingent.

Whether rightly or wrongly rapes perpetrated by Muslims are being reported incredibly frequently at present, as a Muslim the onus is on me to push for increased education of these men even if they aren't acting in the name of Islam and as a briton with a "light skinned" sister I am obliged to demand harsher punishments on these asian perverts.

Hindus however, seem to be totally content pretending it has absolutely nothing to do with them.

Reply 177

Nathanielle

Original post by Josb

Not if we put them directly in a plane when they are released.

In a state where law plays a role, everyone has a right to have a fair trial and that includes getting a lawyer at any time. While the UK can avoid this fair trial by taking the passport away from people, who are not in Britain (nota bene: the possibility to get a dual nationality seems to be sufficient), this is highly unrealistic for persons, who are still in the UK.