Why you should VOTE STAY in the EU referendum

Provide evidence to show that the opposite is the case.


No one can


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Ask the Home Office. Tell them that you are a non-EU citizen living in the UK, and see what they have to say.

A lot of people are on the fence, and you'll probably see a lot of fearmongering and outright lies from people that want to leave. Stuff like "our NHS is failing", "the UK is overpopulated", "we give the EU money and never getting anything back", and so on. The "Leave" crowd seem to be very loud, so it's easy to believe them, but please ask questions and look for statistics before you believe what they say.

People are turning the EU into a scapegoat as if it's the source of all these problems, and pretending that leaving it would solve them. I'd love to jump on the bandwagon, but the reality is that it won't. I'd like to make the case for why we should stay in the EU, with some facts and statistics, to help you make up your mind.

1. Immigration: The EU allows for free migration between all EU countries. The people wanting to leave will tell you that lots of people come over from poorer countries to do unskilled labour, so they take our jobs, or that lots just come to take our benefits.

Claims of immigrants coming from the EU to take our benefits are outright lies. This study by UCL found that EU migrants contributed 34% more in taxes than they took in benefits. It also found, "In contrast, over the same period, the total of UK natives’ tax payments were 11% lower than the transfers they received." This essentially means that the average migrant is contributing more to the economy than the average British citizen.

There's also a myth that most immigrants are unskilled workers - people try to say that, while EU migrants work, they're taking unskilled jobs from natives instead of filling jobs we need. But the same UCL study found that 32% of EU migrants had a university education, compared to 21% for UK natives - so the truth is that they actually are filling skilled jobs that we need filled.

As for unemployment, the number of UK natives in work has increased over the last few years. The number of employed natives is increasing alongside the number of migrants. The migrants aren't taking our jobs - they're spurring growth and creating jobs.

2. Giving money to the EU: The UK (and all EU countries) pay an EU membership fee. But a lot of people don't seem to realize that we get a large amount of that money back. In 2013, Nigel Farage claimed that Britain pays £20 billion per year for EU membership. We actually paid £18 billion, and we received over half of it back.

The majority of the rest went to the EU budget. The EU uses this to pay for a lot of stuff that benefits the entire EU. For example, £4 billion went to funding scientific research in the UK, and £53 billion to agriculture subsidies. A lot of this benefits us directly, but it also helps the rest of the EU grow, which in turn helps us by increasing trade.

The EU has been particularly important in tackling Climate Change, and a large portion of the budget goes toward funding low-carbon technologies and climate change research. The budget has also provided funding for climate change adaptation for EU member states - paying for flood defenses, for example.

A ton of science and technology projects in the UK and abroad are also able to happen due to EU funding. [url="https://erc.europa.eu/projects-and-results/erc-funded-projects?f[0"]Over 2200 UK research projects have benefited from EU funding and grants

Leaving the EU might allow us to control immigration to improve our economy, but that would be outweighed by the economic damage. I think the EU is a more than fair compromise.

I doubt that if you consider the net increase of 300k+ immigrants a year. If you consider the amount of taxes they will be paying (not a lot), and the cost of them on the infrastructure of the UK, it's more likely that by 2030, immigration will have pushed the UK into the dirt through overpopulation.

You should check out the Eu immigration figures.

I know what you were saying about net migration but it shocked even me yesterday when I found out how they are calculated (by a flawed survey)

There is a figure that isn't flawed and it's the number of new national insurance numbers that were issued last year to eu migrants and it isn't the 250k that migration figures show but over 600k!!


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With you, the higher the figure the more accurate it is.

No with me one is a survey of intention on a small selection of people at ports which is then calculated into what is the official figure using a flawed method (look it up it's shocking)

The other is 100% correct information from HMRC.

Dismiss that


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You should check out the Eu immigration figures.

I know what you were saying about net migration but it shocked even me yesterday when I found out how they are calculated (by a flawed survey)

There is a figure that isn't flawed and it's the number of new national insurance numbers that were issued last year to eu migrants and it isn't the 250k that migration figures show but over 600k!!


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A large part of the difference will be students on "short" courses. Students count as immigrants if they are intending to stay for more than a year. That will catch most students doing school qualifications, undergraduate degrees and PhDs but will not catch a lot of the people on language courses and masters programmes. Masters are particularly attractive to EU students from countries where a masters takes a minimum of two years.

However as you say the immigration survey has very dubious data. The key problem is not recording immigrants, it is recording emigrants. If you have a Pole returning to Poland temporarily but indeterminately, it is very easy to count that Pole as a emigrant but the Pole may not regard himself as an emigrant and so if he returns he treats himself as already here and so fails to be recorded as a re-immigrant. Likewise the Brit going abroad for a short time, say TEFLing, may have no intention to be gone for a lengthy period and so is not "booked out" even though she may be absent for many years with her holiday in and out journeys rightly being being ignored.


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Holy ****, here I was expecting the number you were going to say to be something like 100k, not double what there apparently is!

Sorry but their is not several hundred thousand new eu students every year registering for a NI number because they are also working

I accept that, but neither are there several hundred thousand additional EU migrants in the UK.

There were 66 million NI numbers in issue uncancelled in 1997,
76.8 million in 2006 and 89.2 million in 2015. I can assure you the population hasn't risen by 12.4 million in nine years.





But folk doing one academic year masters courses are not staying for more than a year.

Well I'm out of the U.K. for 5 years and nobody even knows. So emigrants are not being recorded.



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How many times have you got on a plane and somebody has asked you if you are coming back?


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Amen.
This post sums up why we should stay perfectly.

We've just come out of a recession and due to the trade agreements we have due to being in the EU, taking them away could be damaging for growth that the nation has worked hard over the past couple of years to achieve!

I can understand why people may want to leave when they're being given hugely overestimated figures but if they actually look a bit deeper they'll find that we are doing fine inside the EU, why would we want to change that?