Western Values: Rescuing DOG "refugees" in Turkey but not humans

Beirut

Damascus

Amman etc

Believable.



Erm, have you been watching the news for the last five years or so?



I'm unsure about this because the Jordanian ruling family is quite progressive by Middle Eastern standards, but I'm sure there's a limit to what can be worn, even in a relatively progressive city like Amman, given local attitudes.

Your mum grew up in a Western society. I'm talking about girls who were born and raised in the Middle East.

Look it up yourself,women in the Middle East are discouraged from going out at night because of the fear of being raped and assaulted. That's got to do with culture obviously.
In Arab cultures,most of the time, women are advised to cover up.

You can't deny though, Arab countries are a terrible place if you're a woman.

This is a niche charity that seems rather odd to me if I am honest. The only individuals the charity assists are specifically golden retrievers. That said, this has nothing to do with Western, humanitarian or liberal values and to act like it does is absurd. But, I do think that the existence of such niche charities is something that is worth discussing and so I will discuss this.

There is a western humanitarian practice called "Effective Altruism" and the philosopher Peter Singer has written a great book on the topic. Basically it talks about how best to donate money to charity. The fact is that a lot of people don't really understand how they can most effectively spend their money in charitable ways. For example, many people will see adverts on the TV saying how if you donate so much every month, you can help to train a guide dog to help the blind. It sounds like a great charity, does it not? But Peter Singer raises an interesting point:

But the fact is, even if we did make more informed decisions and found out the most productive use of our charitable money, it most likely would not be best spent helping Syrian refugees. Money is a scarce resource and if we are to use that money to save the most lives, our money would probably be best spent donating to a charity that gives mosquito nets to poor people. Ultimately, this is a very difficult issue, and there is no simple answer.

Chill out with the generalisations. Whilst this may be true for some countries in the Middle East, it certainly isn't the case for all. I'm from Lebanon, and can tell you that I've never once been forced or 'advised' to cover up. If you go to Lebanon you could see a woman in shorts and a crop top walking along side somone in a niqab. Women go to clubs,wear bikinis on the beach etc..it's really not a big deal. I'm not saying it's a perfect country for women,it's definitely not,but not because of the reasons you listed. Other countries like Jordan and Syria(pre civil war) are similar.

Amen amen amen. Same goes for Syria before this uprising and Jordan

Wallah Syria was so beautiful! It makes me so sad seeing what's happening now

Wallah Syria was so beautiful! It makes me so sad seeing what's happening now

Stop believing this hyped media nonsense

I did a Google image search for 'group of women' + the place name and those images were the best representations I could find in a short space of time. If you know of more representative media then feel free to share it with us

Granted, some Arab cities are more liberal than others but you would do well to acknowledge that women are rarely completely free to dress as they please anywhere in the Arab world, and are oppressed across most of it

With respect, I think it is you who is hyping anything here.

Interesting opinion for somebody whose country was subject to a 30-year Syrian occupation, at least some of which was illegal. I would've expected more resentment.

Turkey isn't at war


They're not refugees anymore if they're in Turkey

I need to awaken y'all

Again, the opposite is more likely to be true. I've seen you repeatedly try to overstate the freedoms enjoyed by women in the Arab world on this thread, and you'd do well to take heed of Foo's replies.

The point being: no rational person is saying that somewhere like pre-civil war Syria was comparable to Saudi Arabia on women's rights, but you also need to stop exaggerating and explaining away any criticism of this as 'media' brainwashing.

I mention this in every thread, but why should Turkey have to bear 2.6 million refugees when it's US, French, British, etc. planes dropping bombs over Syria?

Sorry but that's horseshit, there are codes of modesty/public decency

Unfortunately there isn't a wealth of decent media featuring more than 1 or 2 women in public in these places available, so aye, scrolling required