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Western Values: Rescuing DOG "refugees" in Turkey but not humans

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Original post by queen-bee
Moi :h:


Can I come? :puppyeyes:
Original post by Hydeman
Can I come? :puppyeyes:


Ofcourse! I'm a generous humanist :h:
Original post by Foo.mp3
This was never my contention:mute:

Am I ****! :laugh:

Ok, so I just googled what you said and these are the images that feature in the first 3 rows that are pretty clearly of women in public:

Come off it.
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Original post by queen-bee
There's no argument to be had. You seem to be angry which goes to show you're very hot and bothered and go on to call me a fascist like the troll that you are. You don't know me for you to be exposing my 'beliefs'


I've seen your comments across this forum. You have a dogmatic hatred of the West due to your Arab heritage and feel that to accept Western culture is "betraying" that heritage (which proves that you can't think for yourself and that you aren't an individual, you instead let family, friends and the "culture" you were born into decide your views) in the mould of other such bumptiously West-hating Orientals such as Edward Said and Sayyid Qutb, you've openly advocated for us to accept hordes of refugees into Europe, delighting in the fact that this will disrupt the continent and lead to the downfall of our civilisation and claiming it is "karma", have claimed that Bush did 9/11, you defend Islam and Muslims at every turn as a knee-jerk reaction to any conversation involving the latter simply because Islam was founded by an Arab, Muhammad, and anything Arab = good in your eyes and can never be criticised, you constantly talk about your puerile, unfounded hatred of the West and your desire to leave and live in Syria (you share that in common with many people of Middle Eastern descent who live here), you whine, strawman and use anecdotes as arguments ("I've met Assad, he wasn't such a bad chap until he killed my grandaddy!") etc etc.
Original post by childofthesun
Jewish then. I view ethnicity and nationality as two separate things. Even if like you said he has only ever participated in American culture, that doesn't change the fact that he's still ethnically a Polish Jewish(or just Jewish idk)


Ethnicity is somewhat dependent on cultural affiliation, though (a quick Google definition: the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition.) It's distinct from race in that respect (e.g. an assimilated South Asian person in London is Asian in a genetic sense, but if he participates only in a local culture and not the culture of his ancestors, then he is ethnically British, weird though that sounds).

That wasn't your initial point though. You were arguing that even though QB's mother was Syrian,because she grew up in Europe, QB couldn't identify as half Syrian.
(Although I do understand the point you're trying to make now)


I've no personal interest in proving QB's ancestry one way or the other. :lol: I was only disputing it with respect to the whole 'insiders and outsiders' conundrum. :smile:
Lebanon is probably the only place in the ME I would visit.


Iran in a decade or so once the government is more reflective of the overwhelmingly liberal/young population.


Israel whenever it stops denying the Palestinians their basic rights (e.g. to self-determination).
Original post by RamocitoMorales
I mention this in every thread, but why should Turkey have to bear 2.6 million refugees when it's US, French, British, etc. planes dropping bombs over Syria?


What? Turkey buying ISIS oil, and occasionally blowing up Russian airplanes to almost start WW3 is okay? They should really be kicked out of NATO, so holding 2.6 million refugees isn't much of a "punishment".

Plus Turkey is using this as a political tool. They are threatening to release their refugees onto Europe to try influence the EU.

Also, what they are doing to the Kurds is despicable.

Don't think Turkey is a victim in all this.
Original post by childofthesun
Hahaha, I have no resentment towards Syrian people or Syria as a country-the government,perhaps. I'm sure you can guess the country to which all my resentment and hatred is directed :redface:


That's right, the Israelis of all people, who tried to help the Lebanese...it's alright for Syria to invade and occupy Lebanon because they're Arabs.

The joys of racism.
Original post by Polysexual Nymph
Lebanon is probably the only place in the ME I would visit.


Iran in a decade or so once the government is more reflective of the overwhelmingly liberal/young population.


Israel whenever it stops denying the Palestinians their basic rights (e.g. to self-determination).




What about Jordan or Oman?
Original post by Polysexual Nymph
Lebanon is probably the only place in the ME I would visit.


Iran in a decade or so once the government is more reflective of the overwhelmingly liberal/young population.


Israel whenever it stops denying the Palestinians their basic rights (e.g. to self-determination).


Jordan? Although they do kiss up to Saudi a bit... but overall they are fairly good
Original post by chemting
What? Turkey buying ISIS oil, and occasionally blowing up Russian airplanes to almost start WW3 is okay? They should really be kicked out of NATO, so holding 2.6 million refugees isn't much of a "punishment".

I am quite sure that if a Russian fighter jet made its way into UK airspace then it would also be shot down (but there is a large distance between the UK and any other border so that the planes can safely be escorted out before they even enter our airspace). Russia also violated Turkey's airspace on multiple occasions despite warnings and despite the public policy that Turkey is using on any objects that come out of Syria (after one of its own fighter jets was shot down).

Come on, NATO is supposed to be there for the benefit of all its members, not just the US'.

chemting
Also, what they are doing to the Kurds is despicable.


What are they doing to the Kurds right now? Just so you know, 'Kurds' does not equal 'PKK'.
Original post by Cato the Elder
I've seen your comments across this forum. You have a dogmatic hatred of the West due to your Arab heritage and feel that to accept Western culture is "betraying" that heritage (which proves that you can't think for yourself and that you aren't an individual, you instead let family, friends and the "culture" you were born into decide your views) in the mould of other such bumptiously West-hating Orientals such as Edward Said and Sayyid Qutb, you've openly advocated for us to accept hordes of refugees into Europe, delighting in the fact that this will disrupt the continent and lead to the downfall of our civilisation and claiming it is "karma", have claimed that Bush did 9/11, you defend Islam and Muslims at every turn as a knee-jerk reaction to any conversation involving the latter simply because Islam was founded by an Arab, Muhammad, and anything Arab = good in your eyes and can never be criticised, you constantly talk about your puerile, unfounded hatred of the West and your desire to leave and live in Syria (you share that in common with many people of Middle Eastern descent who live here), you whine, strawman and use anecdotes as arguments ("I've met Assad, he wasn't such a bad chap until he killed my grandaddy!") etc etc.


I have never said arabs are perfect nor have I ever said I hate the west. I said we should accept women and children who need our help,like many other people. You seem to have a deep rooted hatred towards Arabs. My family have never dictated my behaviour or way of thinking,not that you know me. You appear to be a little butt hurt right wing kid. I also defend ethnic minorities who face racism. I'm a charitable person and see myself as a humanist. You should know Arabia is also home to Christianity and Judaism and other minority religions. Never have I spoken about the prophet Mohamed as I don't know much about him. I defend innocent Muslims who are abused by people like you on a daily basis on the basis of skin colour or religion. I can't understand half the nonsensical made up BS you've just written. When have I said 9/11 was karma? And a lot of people actually believe it was an inside job so what is your point? Wow,the lengths these kids will go to to pull anything out their ass. By your logic that would mean,I also would've hated my father because he was a white Italian man and not an Arab? Kids these days :rolleyes: and why the **** are you bringing my dead family members into this?
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Original post by Hydeman
Ethnicity is somewhat dependent on cultural affiliation, though (a quick Google definition: the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition.) It's distinct from race in that respect (e.g. an assimilated South Asian person in London is Asian in a genetic sense, but if he participates only in a local culture and not the culture of his ancestors, then he is ethnically British, weird though that sounds).




Hmm I don't agree. I guess there is no single accepted definition of ethnicity, but this is the first definition that google brought up; ethnic group or ethnicity is a category of people who identify with each other based on common ancestral, social, cultural,or national experiences. Unlike most other social groups, ethnicity is primarily an inherited status. Thats how I've always viewed ethnicity. In the example you gave, I'd say he's still ethnically SA, but culturally British.It's all very confusing. Mind you I'm ethnically( :wink: ) Lebanese, was born in a country other than Lebanon, and that country is different to the one I was raised in, and I hold 4 different passports. It's a mess :lol:
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Original post by Cato the Elder
That's right, the Israelis of all people, who tried to help the Lebanese...it's alright for Syria to invade and occupy Lebanon because they're Arabs.

The joys of racism.

Yeah, Israel was definitely trying to help us when they bombed my home village,killing my relatives and friends.

Ofc, any criticism of Israel is antisemitic :rolleyes:
Original post by childofthesun
I hold 4 different passports. It's a mess :lol:


:lolwut:

Most countries have problems with letting their citizens hold the citizenship of even one other country. How have you managed to end up with four countries that are okay with this arrangement? :tongue:
Original post by Sciatic
What about Jordan or Oman?


Original post by chemting
Jordan? Although they do kiss up to Saudi a bit... but overall they are fairly good

Jordan is a pretty stable and tolerant country, but I don't really see the appeal of it as a place I'd visit. Same goes for Oman. :dontknow:
Original post by childofthesun
Yeah, Israel was definitely trying to help us when they bombed my home village,killing my relatives and friends.

Ofc, any criticism of Israel is antisemitic :rolleyes:


The kid seems to have a to hate anything to do with Arabs or the Middle East with passion. I think they're usually raised up hating from a young age
Original post by Hydeman
:lolwut:

Most countries have problems with letting their citizens hold the citizenship of even one other country. How have you managed to end up with four countries that are okay with this arrangement? :tongue:

Idk
Lebanon, the US, France and Cote d'ivoire all allow dual/multiple citizenship lol
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It's funny how people seek nuance when it isn't there but then expect the whole of the western side of the planet to have moral consistency. If I pointed out the hypocrisies of eastern dictatorships we would be here all day. When Middle Eastern countries start taking in the refugees on their dorrstop I will listen to your lecture about moral inconsistencies.

Europe has many failings but it has opened the borders to millions. How many have Kuwait let in? The UAE? Qatar? These are the so-called moderate states by the way. I am sure many of their population would like to take in a percentage of genuine refugees but it is the liberal democracies that are actually doing it.
Original post by Foo.mp3
Please see bolded text. Those were omitted as they were likely taken on private/exclusive property e.g. shopping arcade/restaurant :yy:


They still count as public places :yy:

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