Woman brandishes childs severed head in Moscow

Prepare to send me your keys.

Sources inside the police have said the suspect is from Uzbekistan which is 96 % Muslim.

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Still doesn't make her a real Muslim though. I'll hold on to these xD

"Real" Muslim. No True Scotsman.

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Still doesn't make her a real Muslim though. I'll hold on to these xD

Yea, I'm not a Muslim but I'll bet the keys to my house that this "woman" was NOT a follower of Islam.

Just because one dons a burka and shouts "Allah Akbar" it doesn't make them a Muslim any more then me wearing a priest collar and shouting "In the name of the father, The Son and The Holy Spirit..." makes me a Christian.

Shia Muslims also have to some extent, completely different collections of Hadith. I've never actually looked at any Shia hadith. Would you say that on the whole they contain less violent Hadith?

Also, are you saying that the matn (text) itself is also subject to analysis? I was also wondering (I hope I'm not asking too many questions), whether the individual lay person has much freedom to judge or criticise the isnad or matn of a Hadith themselves?

Poor family. Expect Moscow's feeling very culturally enriched RN, just as we Londoners were when the same thing happened to Lee Rigby

That's not a response consistent with our (Judeo-Christian) British values, fam

..and it's about to get that much worse for Muslims

There are different sects within Shia Islam, Akhbari's do the whole sorting thing themselves, whereas Usulis follow what the scholars say (special people who sorted it out for them).

Thanks for the reply

I want to read up more on Shia Islam as there are many different schools which I know next to nothing about.Would be interesting to see the different practices within Islam.

One thing I do love about Islam is that once you look past the Salafi's and such, you find within Islam such a great array of different schools with their own unique aspects and customs. Although I know this comment will get me accused of encouraging bidah...

Common sense would dictate no such thing, that conclusion is ludicrous and goes against common sense. Again, if you have evidence that violates the razor then provide it.

We have many collections of Hadith including Sunni Hadiths, however whether we take them as true fact (Sahih) or not is a different story. For us Shias we collect all Hadiths, violent, not violent, true, not true, etc. because our goal is to preserve as many as possible. These are all preserved in 'The Four Books' - which are collections of Hadiths. However then reliable people and historians sort these out to filter what is fabricated and what is true. Our collections are different because for Sunnis anything in 'The Big Six' is considered 100% fact and should be followed strictly. So upon first inspection, you'll find some crazy insane stuff in our Shia books but it's most probably not true. And it will say whether it's true or not, or whether it's weak, and reference the scholars who think it's true.

I haven't read many Sunni Hadiths but from what I've seen online the violence in them is a lot
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Violence_Under_Muhammad
I mean there are many Sunni Hadiths stating the prophet had sent people to murder and torture in barbaric ways, however in our Hadiths there was no such thing as the prophet marrying a 6 year old and killing people, even in war he said we are not allowed to kill unless being attacked, he was kind to the enemies.

"Muhammad forces a 17 yr old Jewish girl called Safiyyah to marry him and rapes her on the same day her husband and family are killed in the battle of Khaibar (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 522, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 367)." - is this for real? Sunnis have said that there's a 100% authentic Hadith stating the prophet RAPED a 17 year old?!?! I don't understand why you would portray your prophet like that... or if he really did these acts - why you would even follow him? There's nothing like that in Shia Hadiths so yeah in many ways they are less violent.

I think the violence aspect is mainly due to the difference in leaders after the prophet. Umar ibn al Kattab was allegedly elected caliphate after Abu Bakr as successor to the prophet, yet he was the one to brutally attack the prophet's daughter and cause her to miscarry and eventually die as a result of her injuries. When someone like that is elected leader, there is bound to be a lot of violence. Sunnis deny this entire event even when there are many sources to back it up... but they don't deny the violent Hadiths in their books? Dunno it confuses me ngl - any Sunnis feel free to clear this up...

Yes the text has to be analysed to see if it fits in with the other accounts of this event, how many accounts are there, when did this happen, who documented it, did they do it independently or were they related? Who were they to the prophet? Were they honest, were they good people?

There are different sects within Shia Islam, Akhbari's do the whole sorting thing themselves, whereas Usulis follow what the scholars say (special people who sorted it out for them).

Prob offended a million people so gonna go ahead and say I KNOW SOME SUNNIS ARE PEACEFUL PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN THIS AND I KNOW SOME SHIAS ARE *******S SO SIT DOWN

thank you