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We DO NOT NEED to eat MEAT

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Original post by ChaoticButterfly

I'm just comparing how people go along with something they see as awful just because it is normal. Or they think it is wrong deep down but because everyone goes along with it they can make it all fine. Or that just because it is a a result of some detached consumerism that makes any moral dilemma mute, as if mindless consumerism lets us off the hook on the impacts of that consumerism. At numerous points in me growing up I thought about the whole meat eating thing, asked my parents about it, but they just give a kind of "it's just life" response and I go along with it. I mean, my parents aren't bad people, they have pets they look after and wouldn't harm. I imagine it would have been the same if I was a child growing up in a family that owned slaves.

If you are a vegan for ethical reasons I can't see how the slavery analogy is not relevent in some way. Even if you don't place animal suffering as being equal to human suffering and it is purely to show how passivity allows major suffering to happen.

I don;t know why this would irritate someone. You don;t have to agree with say Peter Singer to see why he equates the way we treat animals to slavery. Logic can easily lead down that route and vice versa. If your moral philosophy based purely on minimising physical pain a lot of slavery is probably better than what we do to animals for food, for example.

I'm not a vegan or vegetarian and I completely reject sanctity of human life on any level beyond humans have instincts and/or social conditioning to look out for other humans due to natural selection making us this way. Darwinism discredits a lot of the arguments for sanctity of human life which are usually based on there being something mystically special about us when in reality we are just an animal.

Yes I know that people do that. We all do it because we don’t even realise half the time. My point is because it’s something that we go along with as normal and because animal life isn’t as valuable to us as our tastebuds and satiation it is extremely difficult to overcome by militant vegans condescending meat eaters and using comparisons which at the end of the day don’t mean that much to them (meat-eaters).

Meat-eaters know they are killing animals in droves and supporting the industry by eating meat- and so they don’t need education on this fact.

I think what should be addresses is areas of hypocrisy e.g.:

- People eating free range or grass fed meat because they ‘care’ about animal life. If you care, don’t eat the animal. Irrelevant of it’s life, it’s ending up in the slaughter house.
- Ethical vegetarians- if you care enough about animals not to eat their meat you shouldn’t really be indirectly causing death and suffering by supporting the dairy industry.
- People who care about the environment- If you care about climate change and sustainable use of the planet then eating meat is potentially one of the worst choices you can make (due to inefficiency of livestock in terms of land area and the emissions that the meat industry causes)

The other key area of education is about the benefits of eating vegan and just putting the word out there about that rather than attacking the negatives of eating meat. For example the personal health benefits I have experienced since transitioning to a vegan diet:

- Shinier and stronger hair
- Clearer and softer skin
- Brighter eyes
- More energy
- Weight loss
- Improved body composition
- Better digestion
- Less brain fog
- More mental clarity and stability
- Stronger immune system (haven’t been properly ill since)

The above will change people’s minds or give them an incentive to try. Not militant vegans making being arrogant and superior and making comparisons that just simply do not resonate with people.

Reply 121

Fenneko

Original post by thunder_chunky

Hitler was vegetarian.

Myth.

But okay, let's consider he was. What about ever other notable person (like Stalin) who has committed atrocious crimes. Do their meat eater diets not count or something?

(edited 8 years ago)

Reply 122

thunder_chunky

Original post by Joel 96

Myth.

But okay, let's consider he was. What about ever other notable person (like Stalin) who has committed atrocious crimes. Do their meat eater diets not count or something?

Don't be silly, it only applies to veggies.

Reply 123

Juichiro

Original post by RickmanAlways

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Take an hour of your time to watch this please.
Gary Yourofsky is brilliant and this will change the way you think.
We dont. Need to eat. MEAT.

Of course, a carnivore diet is not necessary. Most people know it. Inb4 the animal suffering argument, most people don't care. If you think about it, most people are happy purchasing products made by 3rd world children in terrible conditions. If they don't care about other humans, why would they care about other species?

Reply 124

XxKingSniprxX

Original post by RickmanAlways

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Reply 125

Juichiro

Original post by Foo.mp3

Alas I do need to eat meat, sorry

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Questionable unless you have tried every substitute (i.e. anything with proteins) under the sun.

Reply 126

Lemon Haze

Guys...I think we should stop eating vegetables too, they are living things. We grow them in intensive farming and pump them full of fertilisers. We chop up living vegetables and throw them into boiling water, we stab fruits with our teeth and grind up their sweet flesh. Just think of the pain they go through everyday because of us murderers.

Humans should survive purely on air and responsibly sourced organic H20.

We are carnivores

Loooool I consume way more calories eating vegan. N=1 but I was talking about myself in what I have experienced on a vegan diet.

Reply 129

DiddyDec01

Original post by RickmanAlways

We dont. Need to eat. MEAT.

You don't need central heating.
You don't need a mobile phone.
You don't need the Internet.

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Reply 130

bethwalker85

Original post by MountKimbie

Slavery still exists, just in a slightly different form.

Humans are not equal to animals in the eyes of the law (yes humans are animals but I need to use the word animals to differentiate them from us). In what way do you think humans equal to animals? Sentience?

If a child and a dog are drowning in a river with similar chances of survival you'll go for the child. Bit of a silly situation to imagine, but you get the point.

Been watching Cowspiracy have we?

probably choose the dog...

Reply 131

RomanKing

Original post by mathsastronomy12

oh and one more thing, if vegans love animals so much, why do they eat all their food? Banter

lol. Rofl. Banter banter m9

Reply 132

john2054

i don't eat meat, with the occasional packet of walkers smoky bacon or roast chicken flavour crisps, which i suspect they may lace with bacon intestine or fowl eyeball juice. But seriously i try to avoid eating that kind of s*** !

Reply 133

Ned Stark

You're good mate, this has forced me to begin a crusade of eating meat in front of vegans with vigour,

Reply 134

sleepysnooze

in theory I completely agree - meat is unnecessary in a strict sense and killing animals for mere optional desires is 100% immoral

however - how moral are we all? those who recognise this position above will know that it is wrong but will still understand that they are not moral enough to do it. it's not that being a carnivore is moral - it's the fact that *we* aren't moral, or moral enough to become vegetarians (or perhaps vegans - I understand the principle behind veganism, personally, but it's another issue of the same kind).

Reply 135

Ethereal World

Mate I’ve got a science degree.

I never at all said that this was fact or scientific evidence.

I specifically said- these are the things that have improved whilst I am on a vegan diet. And then listed weight loss as one of them. Because it’s true for me.

It’s made me feel immeasurably better and helped my relationship with food which may also be a reason. I’m not disputing the scientific basis of calories in vs. calories out. Infact I wrote an entire blog post on calorie counting recently.

You took one bullet point out of an entire post and created a point of discussion that wasn’t even there. Not very scientific of you.

This is what I said before I listed weight loss:

For example the personal health benefits I have experienced since transitioning to a vegan diet:

It says for example
It says personal
It says I

Let me know at what point that looked like I was stating it as scientific fact or insinuated there was scientific evidence to back it up.

(edited 8 years ago)

Reply 136

RomanKing

Original post by Ethereal World

I get that but it has to be done differently. The thread title alone is gonna create a situation whereby meat eaters come in and just say mmmm bacon :perv:

Humans know we don't need a lot of things but we still do them because we like to do things. We don't NEED alcohol...etc.

The way I would do it (though I don't bang on about being a vegan) is just say put a thread up... put 5 reasons why I'm vegan. and then just explain why it is your choice- it's a much better way to educate people than telling them what they are doing is inherently wrong.

Hi, I'm chegan. (Vegan who cheats sometimes due to social circumstances. E.g. birthday cake etc. )

Have been for 2.5 years.

Long story short, I ate disgusting mince beef and spaghetti last night (Don't ask why/ how) and can't get it out of my mind. I'm starting to think there's something wrong with me and thinking about cancer. This is because It's not like me to and I don't eat that disgusting piece of sh**.

Anyway, thoughts on this? Tell me this mince beef won't trigger some sort of illness all of a sudden or I won't be able to reach 100 years of age now and only 98 years of age. ? ?

I've tried to detox today drinking green tea.