Most Teens aren't heterosexual and don't believe in gender study shows.

Yeah that was my point, I agree with your views about gender.

What I don't get either is that when gender is a social construct how could transgendered people exist?

Or why is sexuality fluid and a social construct for everyone, except for homosexuals?

Because they subscribe to the social construct with the existence of gender but do not feel that their sex matches their gender.

Homosexual, heterosexual etc are binary sexualities. Fluidity is the non binary "here nor there" sexualities.

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I believe in gender but it seems the fast majority of young people don't,
like i said even Zara launched a gender neutral collection, more people see clothes as just clothes, a lot of people see sexuality now as something fluid a similar YouGov poll showed that 51 percent of young people in the UK don't see themselves as completely straight either so there is clearly a changing culture there.

(I personally think gender has biological bases but is a largely social construct.)

Because transgendered people are people whose gender doesn't align so to speak to their sex (XY for boys, XX for girls) assumed at birth. Their psychological make-up is one typical for e.g. a female when they have a (mostly) male body.

So the sense of self of a person who is male at birth is that of someone female.

(Mind transgender is different from intersex.)



I would have thought that fluidity wouldn't be "here nor there", because they still have a certain (category for a) sexuality at a fixed point in time.

So it's not here nor there, because it changes over time.

Does my view make sense?

Sex is determined by biology, basically whether you have XY or XX chromosomes alongside physical characteristics that I need not explain. SEX is concrete.

Gender, is fluid because as you mentioned, it is a social construct. It doesn't exist, it was created. Gender is a frame of mind, a sense of being that cannot be determined by a stringent set of laws.

Thus why in your passport it asks for SEX and not GENDER. There have been numerous psychological studies that disagree with you so I think I'll leave it to the experts to determine whether you're wrong or not. (But… you're wrong as far I am aware)

umm, just because its a social construct doesn't mean it doesn't exist, as you rightly said it is a frame of mind, its a socially imposed set of expected behaviours, thus it is a creation of society, not something natural. it lacks substance and purpose but it exists. also, sex isnt concrete anymore, something i am rather pleased about even though it does not affect me personally

Your view makes a lot of sense and how do you view sexuality do you think most people are sexual fluid or do you think for most people it is binary?

Yeah that was my point, I agree with your views about gender.

What I don't get either is that when gender is a social construct how could transgendered people exist?

Or why is sexuality fluid and a social construct for everyone, except for homosexuals?

I revised that statement a bit later on I referred to gender as more of a scale, with acknowledgement of my confusing use of the word 'exist'.
And if you don't mind me asking, how is sex not concrete?

surgery and chemicals.

There are arguments that suggest surgery and chemicals do not modify sex. For example, the XY/XX chromosomes will not change, and many use that as an indicator.

There are arguments that suggest surgery and chemicals do not modify sex. For example, the XY/XX chromosomes will not change, and many use that as an indicator.

And yet society assigned sex before anyone even knew about the existence of chromosomes - and sex assignment of babies isn't based on chromosome tests.

If sex is defined by chromosomes then most people don't know their sex. Testing of chromosomes isn't routine or common.

They could assign sex because of the physical characteristics related to the chromosomes right? XX = female, XY = male, both have distinctly different appearances. If you have boobs and nothing down there, you're probably a female. Nothing scientific about that.

Of course there wouldn't be an overwhelming need to determine what type of chromosomes people have because they should be physically apparent. Chromosomes -> appearance, after all.
Think about it, when was the last time you saw someone and you were like: '…what sex are you?' and if you have, then all they have to do is drop their pants and be like 'I'm *insert sex* you sock.'

I doubt it, maybe in a few centuries! That will be an extremely laborious process considering the amount of DNA combinations… just thinking about it makes me want to cry

And yet society assigned sex before anyone even knew about the existence of chromosomes - and sex assignment of babies isn't based on chromosome tests.

If sex is defined by chromosomes then most people don't know their sex. Testing of chromosomes isn't routine or common.

umm, i don't need a DNA test to know that i carry the gene for brown hair, or for green eyes. i can see that i do by looking in a mirror. and anyone else can see that i do by looking at me directly.

And would you say most people have a binary sexuality or most people are sexual fluid?

Because surveys like this one show that the majority wouldn't call themselves really heterosexual anymore.

Stupid reply. Since when is a single argument applicable to all concepts in the world? The notion ever crossed your mind that this whole gender/sex thing is independent from everything else? Is your thinking that insular?

In any case, sex exists because we (the world) have determined the rules that result in 'sex' - rules that are universally accepted. May be different in other worlds, but I'm thinking about this one.

You are arguing that gender has these same universal and stringent rules, and that simply isn't the case because of the different meanings the two terms hold. Gender is intertwined with masculinity and femininity (both social constructs as well), both of which vary globally. In one country one mindset could be feminine, whilst in another it can be masculine. This is all apart of gendering. Do you see what I'm saying? Gender varies.

Additionally, if there was only 'sex' (which does exist, mind you, cos biology), why would we feel the need to create an entirely separate word - 'gender'?