Why do religous people have an issue with Gay marriage?
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Original post by Satoshii
can you answer just 1 question, so how can you believe in a religion you believe is wrong (as you said earlier abot the human rights)
Get your life sorted out. Muslim is anyone who believes in Allah and the Prophet(pbuh). I never said Islam is wrong. Can you point out where I said that? Why you assuming? Tell me where I said that. I'm sure you don't do everything that Islam tells you to do, why? Cos we are all humans and not perfect. Then, why single out some people's sexuality as a sin? And don't give me that bs 'oh its a major sin'. Who are you to decide that? Are you Allah? Don't ask such questions to others when you have no right to ask. You're not God, merely a human, know your place. Don't try to be a saint.
Original post by BrokenLife
Get your life sorted out. Muslim is anyone who believes in Allah and the Prophet(pbuh). I never said Islam is wrong. Can you point out where I said that? Why you assuming? Tell me where I said that. I'm sure you don't do everything that Islam tells you to do, why? Cos we are all humans and not perfect. Then, why single out some people's sexuality as a sin? And don't give me that bs 'oh its a major sin'. Who are you to decide that? Are you Allah? Don't ask such questions to others when you have no right to ask. You're not God, merely a human, know your place. Don't try to be a saint.
You know the person you quoted said that they are not religious.
Original post by alkaline.
How is it less valid? Wait are the rights given by law different or smt idk?
It's just saying that it's different not "lesser" since they can't come together in the same way.
It's just saying that it's different not "lesser" since they can't come together in the same way.
Or to put it another way: separate but equal.
Religions are simplified instructions for how to live life.
Old, large religions will consist of those instructions that permit that religion to spread.
Religions that tolerated homosexuality will tend to have reproduced less than intolerant religions. That's probably the main reason.
Homosexuality also spreads disease, and that was more important in past centuries before most diseases could be treated. It may be that historically cultures intolerant of homosexuality had lower mortality rates.
Of course these are selective reasons, reflecting cultural evolution. The specific reasons believers have or give for their beliefs are probably totally insane. Doesn't mean the belief itself is totally insane.
Old, large religions will consist of those instructions that permit that religion to spread.
Religions that tolerated homosexuality will tend to have reproduced less than intolerant religions. That's probably the main reason.
Homosexuality also spreads disease, and that was more important in past centuries before most diseases could be treated. It may be that historically cultures intolerant of homosexuality had lower mortality rates.
Of course these are selective reasons, reflecting cultural evolution. The specific reasons believers have or give for their beliefs are probably totally insane. Doesn't mean the belief itself is totally insane.
Original post by BrokenLife
Get your life sorted out. Muslim is anyone who believes in Allah and the Prophet(pbuh). I never said Islam is wrong. Can you point out where I said that? Why you assuming? Tell me where I said that. I'm sure you don't do everything that Islam tells you to do, why? Cos we are all humans and not perfect. Then, why single out some people's sexuality as a sin? And don't give me that bs 'oh its a major sin'. Who are you to decide that? Are you Allah? Don't ask such questions to others when you have no right to ask. You're not God, merely a human, know your place. Don't try to be a saint.
Your missing the point, i didn't say you're not a Muslim, i asked you a question which for the 4th time you've ignored to answer. Why do you believe in a religion which has principles that you believe go against human rights?
I hope my question is clear this time
Original post by alkaline.
If you're not gonna stick by the laws of traditional marriage and the spirituality and oneness etc it's about why call it "marriage"
Why can't it just be civil partnership. You can be together and harmony and have a right to do so; and live like that it's still a union but don't call it marriage when you can't even naturally procreate. Just imo.
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Why can't it just be civil partnership. You can be together and harmony and have a right to do so; and live like that it's still a union but don't call it marriage when you can't even naturally procreate. Just imo.
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My sister cannot have children naturally, so should she be banned from having marriage?
Original post by ForgetMe
My sister cannot have children naturally, so should she be banned from having marriage?
I've literally already replied to something similar to this.......
Original post by lewis_hawkins
gays should never marry and ADAM AND EVE NOT ADAM AND STEVE
Because everyone is going to believe in a book where snakes talk, a man walks on water, and a virgin has a baby. Yeah. It's so reliable. Such believable. Much wow.
Original post by ivybridge
Can you prove this because I'm so sure that's not true? But of course, not 100%.
I can't remember the exact sources, but the hospital visiting I know from personal experience. They would only let me in during visiting hours, and wouldn't give me any information about my girlfriend's scan results or surgery plans. She had to be told by the doctor and then relay the information to me. Half the time she was dosed up on morphine and unconscious, so who knows what went on.
Because gay people are mutated
Original post by BrokenLife
I'm a Muslim but I'm not again gay marriage. In fact, I support LTGB rights. After all, its a matter of human rights.
As a fellow Muslim, I'd advise against saying things like this - gay marriage contradicts the Shariah (which is all based on the words of Allah and His messenger), therefore it is not befitting for a Muslim to support these things. 'Human rights' are man made things which although useful as a framework to uphold rights of individuals on the whole, are still fallible, like in this case for example.
I understand this is a topic that people get quite passionate about, and I imagine you would too - it's natural, since we live in this Western liberal society, to understand things from their perspective - and I imagine you might say LGBT people are humans too, they don't have a choice etc, but this would not be looking at things from the Islamic lense of a Muslim, so in order to understand why these things are wrong, it's important you (and anyone else who might have beliefs which contradict Islamic teaching) pursue the truth rather than just base your concept of reality on the environment around you.
O my son, establish prayer, enjoin what is right, forbid what is wrong, and be patient over what befalls you. Indeed, [all] that is of the matters [requiring] determination. (31:17)
Original post by Zamestaneh
I understand this is a topic that people get quite passionate about, and I imagine you would too - it's natural, since we live in this Western liberal society, to understand things from their perspective
I didn't know "Western liberal society" has a copyright on human rights and reason. That's news to many of us who are from and live in non-Western societies. and I imagine you might say LGBT people are humans too, they don't have a choice etc, but this would not be looking at things from the Islamic lense of a Muslim
Leave it to Islamofascists to argue that LGBT people are not "humans too."
Original post by Agrippatropes I didn't know "Western liberal society" has a copyright on human rights and reason. That's news to many of us who are from and live in non-Western societies.
Leave it to Islamofascists to argue that LGBT people are not "humans too."
I didn't know "Western liberal society" has a copyright on human rights and reason. That's news to many of us who are from and live in non-Western societies.Leave it to Islamofascists to argue that LGBT people are not "humans too."
PRSOM.
Original post by Hydeman
PRSOM.
Ditto.
Original post by Anonymοοse
Very few people who consider themselves religious also accept that homosexuality is natural, the majority cannot comprehend the existence of it, and therefore do not support it.
With that being said, I also think since being openly gay is so uncommon in most parts of the world where religion plays an important role in people's lives, it's hard not to spot a trend between religiosity and acceptance of the LGBTQI+ community, but even in areas of the world like China where religion does not play a huge role in people's lives (specifically Abrahamic religions) homosexuality is still a muddy area.
The world has a long way to go, but I definitely see a time where most people, including religious people. accept the LGBTQI+ community.
With that being said, I also think since being openly gay is so uncommon in most parts of the world where religion plays an important role in people's lives, it's hard not to spot a trend between religiosity and acceptance of the LGBTQI+ community, but even in areas of the world like China where religion does not play a huge role in people's lives (specifically Abrahamic religions) homosexuality is still a muddy area.
The world has a long way to go, but I definitely see a time where most people, including religious people. accept the LGBTQI+ community.
Basing my experience with my pastors and pastors at my church religious people do accept gay people. I went to a church with a gay friendly sign in it once.
They treat gay people just as any ordinary person but they will not hang a picture of two men kissing on their walls or pretend they promote it. No, I don't believe in discrimination but I think its similar response to porn addicts and alcoholics. They respect you as a human being but will not tolerate or encourage in homosexual behavior or claim homosexuality is a natural as a woman giving birth. But that's just my view point on it.
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