Women Protection Bill protested by religious leaders as 'un-Islamic'

I think you've just managed to prove his point

He made many, but his belittlement of Ruby's cause is the exact reason why feminists in Pakistan do not need many of the people who replied to this thread on their side (if they even are). So it in fact proved my point on what I said about them earlier.

He didn't belittle her cause at all infant he actually said '
You have my best wishes for a successful campaign.'

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his belittlement of Ruby's cause

Yes, he threw her a bone, how nice of him.

For a girl struggling for change and risking her life the last thing she needs is to be told "nothing is going to change because your country is such and such" by a patronising outsider. Not only is that discouraging, but it is also belittling to the things that these women have already managed to accomplish (this bill being one of them, despite protests from the nutcases).

Simple argument against the religious parties involved in Pakistan is that the people who argue against this bill are themselves being un-Islamic for 1. Not protecting the rights of women 2. Being divided into factions and parties, so they shouldn't exist in the first place.

I mentioned God not to start a new debate.

Yes, he threw her a bone, how nice of him.

For a girl struggling for change and risking her life the last thing she needs is to be told "nothing is going to change because your country is such and such" by a patronising outsider. Not only is that discouraging, but it is also belittling to the things that these women have already managed to accomplish (this bill being one of them, despite protests from the nutcases).

Simple argument against the religious parties involved in Pakistan is that the people who argue against this bill are themselves being un-Islamic for 1. Not protecting the rights of women 2. Being divided into factions and parties, so they shouldn't exist in the first place.

You must have something built into your brain that takes a message - in this case, whole-hearted support for the person I was addressing - and reverses it - again, in this case, belittling it. I despair.

And you do so, again, while conspicuously failing to condemn the behaviour of the religious leaders who are blocking the changes to the law that would result in better protection for the Pakistani women.

Such Rot

it's the truth her country is up **** creek without a paddle and there is nothing wrong with stating this

Perhaps accepting this is the first step to fixing the problems
But as an outsider I notice you weren't even patronising enough to throw her a bone but rather went after those who did.

Oh, I totally support you but nothing is going to change.

Yes yes, such wholehearted support. Give yourself a pat on the back for being such a "Good Bloke".

You clearly did not read all my posts, and I have never felt the need to prove myself to the likes of you.

These women have done excellent work, but they are up against the forces of evil, and they know it. It makes sense to recognise that.

There is little we can do to help except offer good wishes and hopes for succcess. It is significant that the only people that have done so in this thread have been atheists. It says something for the power of superstition, that it clouds the judgement of educated and privileged people like you to the extent they care so little for the sufferings of fellow religionists.

People here seem to wilfully blind themselves to some of my posts. But hey, that's none of my business. What I did was show her real support and the fact that I do believe that she can achieve what she is working to achieve.

As all women who fought against patriarchal systems were, historically and now. That did not stop them from achieving huge victories for equality.

Many of the religious people on this thread are insincere but the same can be said for some of the Atheists, judging from what I've read.

That is richly ironic, considering you ignored the operative half of one of my sentences and attacked the first part without the crucial "while" clause, eh?

You have not even replied to any of Ruby's posts, never mind supported her. You have not condemned the religious leaders, haven't expressed an opinion that the women deserve change, and haven't made one suggestion as to what needs to be done. How is that "support".

Of course, Pakistani women living in Pakistan and working for change within their country are not aware of the obstacles they face. Not only are these helpless women without minds of their own sitting around waiting be told by Westerners on an online forum of what needs to be done in their own country, they need to have their achievements belittled as well and told that nothing will change.

People here seem to wilfully blind themselves to some of my posts. But hey, that's none of my business. What I did was show her real support and the fact that I do believe that she can achieve what she is working to achieve.

AS I say you seem keen on attack those of us who would offer our support

ah but I see you have issues with 'westerners' so I'll leave you to wallow

It's not my fault that you did not read the whole thread. Like I said I do not feel the need to prove myself to the likes of you.

We are western, white, male and atheist. The lowest of the low.

Yet you fell he needs to prove himself to the likes of you

Odd that.