Third class degree, what next?

Of course they don't have a database themselves. But they know which universities give graduates the specific skills required for a job and which don't. That's why there are companies that target specific uni graduates. Like there's chemical engineering companies in Scotland that target heriott watt graduates. Maths and investment banking graduates at Warwick and LSE are also favoured jobs in their respected fields. And there's companies abroad that only accept applications from candidates of specific unis. A degree in mechanical engineering for manchester metropolitan will be offputting for an employer. Regardless of their interview. Telling yourself otherwise would be lying.


As for your last paragraph, simply go to all those sites ranked liverpool low on mechanical engineering and see what they factor in. One or 2 rankings? Ok it may not be significant. Every one?( I haven't seen one saying otherwise yet), that's worrying. Once again, I'm not bashing all the departments. I just know mech eng at liverpool is relatively poor. Liverpool isn't the only decent uni with a poor department. UCL also springs to mind with chemical engineering ( http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3681013&page=3&p=63507537#post63507537 ) . On the contrary, there are also lower ranked unis that are excellent in some specific courses. It's always been that way.

Lol i don't have to search every ranking in the country. Simply google mechanical engineering university rankings. I'll apologise to you and whoever else if you prove me wrong in saying it's mediocre.

There's a difference between perceived academic strength (rankings) and how engineering companies recruit (skills, CV and interview). If that Man Met student is more capable of getting the job done and has developed more practical skills than a Cambridge grad, they'll be getting the job. That's how it works.



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Did you read the point I made? It was basically that rankings, in their current form, and particularly the Guardian one, are crap.

But they know which universities give graduates the specific skills required for a job and which don't.

That's why there are companies that target specific uni graduates. Like there's chemical engineering companies in Scotland that target heriott watt graduates.

A degree in mechanical engineering for manchester metropolitan will be offputting for an employer.

Telling yourself otherwise would be lying.

As for your last paragraph, simply go to all those sites ranked liverpool low on mechanical engineering and see what they factor in. One or 2 rankings? Ok it may not be significant. Every one?( I haven't seen one saying otherwise yet), that's worrying. Once again, I'm not bashing all the departments. I just know mech eng at liverpool is relatively poor. Liverpool isn't the only decent uni with a poor department. UCL also springs to mind with chemical engineering ( http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3681013&page=3&p=63507537#post63507537 ) . On the contrary, there are also lower ranked unis that are excellent in some specific courses. It's always been that way.

A manchester met candidate will most likely not be given the same academic skills needed to even get an interview. I think you under estimate how competitive mechanical engineering graduate roles can be. Civil, chemical and material engineering aren't that bad. Mechanical and aerospace tend to be more difficult. Especially when it comes to top companies like rolls royce or anyone in the formula 1 industry. But putting academics aside, what are the chances that a met student will have more practical skills than a Cambridge one in the first place? One has world class facilities and tutorials. The other is manchester met. Another example is Uni of manchester. They have a lecturer for civil engineering who was part of the team that designed one of the Heathrow terminals in London. Things like this are noted by employers. They need to be. It's their job to bring in the best taught and best suited candidates.

That's why, as i said before, there are companies that literally have a list of unis that they prefer. And some that only accept candidates from specific unis. Some hold more year in industry places to specific unis than others. Examples being imperial who a have civil engineering company exclusively offering internships to them.

Company representatives from time to time visit unis and check that the quality of the course is satisfactory. At least that what i got told at Nottingham, Exeter and Manchester last year. I'm assuming it's like that everywhere.



Your post was basically "lol i can't take it seriously because it's from x site". That's all. If you don't like rankings in general, you still have to question why liverpool mech eng is ranked so low in all of them

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This whole post is so pointless. Academic skills aren't assessed in interviews, practical skills and communication skills are... Have you ever had an interview in your life?

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Lol how can i take you seriously when your argument consists of employment %. And I'm betting this was from uni stats. A site that doesn't look at employment in relevant sectors. For all we know, those Met or Liverpool graduates could be working at McDonalds and raising the % up.

I never thought I'd see the day where someone defended engineering at Manchester met and Liverpool on TSR. Jesus wept. And you're being naive. What skills the student gained from their time at X uni isn't even the most important factor. That won't be properly shown to the employer after they've got the job anyway. The real issue is applying with a Uni on your CV that's poorly ranked on every ranking in England for that course. Aka the reputation.

But even aside from all that, I never said attending liverpool will leave you jobless. I'm sure some find jobs. I just said

A. the mech eng there is mediocre and there there are better unis asking for lower grades.
B. You're disadvantaged applying there for good engineering graduate jobs

I'm almost certain that the a significant amount people graduating your source unis with engineering just took their degree and went into accounting or something. Cause you know damn well that 80% of the mechanical engineering graduates at Manchese met didn't go onto find Mechanical engineering graduate roles.

Your post was basically "lol i can't take it seriously because it's from x site". That's all. If you don't like rankings in general, you still have to question why liverpool mech eng is ranked so low in all of them

Loooooool, I wasn't going to comment on it. It's obvious to anyone with a decently sized noggin that the rankings the Guardian produce are mostly fluff

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Lol how can i take you seriously when your argument consists of employment %. And I'm betting this was from uni stats. A site that doesn't look at employment in relevant sectors. For all we know, those Met or Liverpool graduates could be working at McDonalds and raising the % up.

I never thought I'd see the day where someone defended engineering at Manchester met and Liverpool on TSR. Jesus wept. And you're being naive. What skills the student gained from their time at X uni isn't even the most important factor. That won't be properly shown to the employer after they've got the job anyway. The real issue is applying with a Uni on your CV that's poorly ranked on every ranking in England for that course. Aka the reputation.

But even aside from all that, I never said attending liverpool will leave you jobless. I'm sure some find jobs. I just said

A. the mech eng there is mediocre and there there are better unis asking for lower grades.
B. You're disadvantaged applying there for good engineering graduate jobs

I'm almost certain that the a significant amount people graduating your source unis with engineering just took their degree and went into accounting or something. Cause you know damn well that 80% of the mechanical engineering graduates at Manchese met didn't go onto find Mechanical engineering graduate roles.

Isn't it one of four league tables (I think) that we have available?

I don't want any silly responses, I've already heard 'work at Mcdonalds' or 'become like Carol Vorderman.' She got famous for her tits, and I don't have tits.

Before acting like a smartarse, go on and look at the criteria these rankings use. It's not because it's on the Guardian.

It is safe to say by now you don't have a clue on this area, so stop acting like an expert.

I propose that, because you have not studied mechanical engineering or ever worked in engineering, you simply no idea of about the above.

I did use Unistats, and you can fabricate criticisms about it all you want (it does in fact look into destinations for employment, which are taken from the DLHE, which has a very strong response rate), but it is an awful lot more insightful than a university applicant. Of the Liverpool lot, 90% went of those who went into employment went into engineering. Of the Man Met lot, it was lower, but many still did and anyone with a decent, which I would define as a 2:1 or above, degree from Man Met has as good a chance as anyone else to get into engineering.

'I'm just going to assume that the statistics are BS because I have a personal vendetta against the university. I mean really, how can ANYONE from a NON-TOP RG uni be successful in ANYTHING related to the field? Surely not?'

^ Summarises your entire argument.

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I'm in my final semester of Mechanical Engineering at the University of Liverpool. From my results, it looks like I'm on a third class degree. I did try quite hard, but the course was just so hard and I'm lucky that I passed everything so far.
Anyway, in terms of jobs, or masters degrees, what next? Is it best for me to go abroad?

I don't want any silly responses, I've already heard 'work at Mcdonalds' or 'become like Carol Vorderman.' She got famous for her tits, and I don't have tits.

You still have your final exams/assessments, don't you? Surely it is possible to push it up to a 2:2 at least. Don't "try quite hard" this time, give it all you've got.

You do not want to come out with a Third, trust me on that. A friend of mine did and she really struggled. You won't be able to get onto a Masters course at a good uni either.

You've got around 2 months to turn this around, you can do it.

You'll have to get a job.
You really need a 2.2 for your degree to be used directly with anything.

This, although you should try your best.

You will find a 3rd a hard sell. I would do some postgrad professional qualifications if I were able. get a job and work yourself up. Your options for using your degree for much are really limited im afraid.

In rare situations some government departments just ask for a degree. If you have mental helath problems then submit mitigating circumstances if your GP will back you. they are only going to take it seriously if at some stage you showed potential i,e you were steady 2:1 and have suddenly dropped to a 3rd imo.

Go and visit careers or join national careers and talk to them.

I've heard it mentioned on TSR before(hardly gospel I know) that you can drop out of a year and then restart it so anything you've done during that year won't count. That way could knuckle down next year and try to get a higher mark.

Your first paragraphs was one of the stupidest things I've ever read. I don't need to spend 4 years at an establishment to make a judgement. That's like saying how do we know London met isn't that good if most people have never been there?

And your second paragraph is objectively incorrect. It's not employment in relevant sectors. For the % you quoted to me, Unistats literally just looks at employment.

They most likely do this because it's hard to see where to draw the line.

Is becoming a maths teacher a relevant sector for an engineering graduate? What about a teaching assistants? Or big store manager? Or working for a construction company?

They don't bother with all of that and literally just look at employment for that %.

I shouldn't even need to explain this to you though.

Surely one look at uni stats implying 80% of manchester metropolitan graduates beating multiple other candidates to graduate engineering roles after 6 months should raise suspicions?

It could be that half of that % went into retail while looking for permanant work.

And what exactly does this have to do with liverpool uni being rated badly in mech eng by every ranking?
If you're not making am actual point then don't reply

I'm in my final semester of Mechanical Engineering at the University of Liverpool. From my results, it looks like I'm on a third class degree. I did try quite hard, but the course was just so hard and I'm lucky that I passed everything so far.
Anyway, in terms of jobs, or masters degrees, what next? Is it best for me to go abroad?

I don't want any silly responses, I've already heard 'work at Mcdonalds' or 'become like Carol Vorderman.' She got famous for her tits, and I don't have tits.