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My point is being overcomplicated and manipulated by people including yourself.

My point is simple:

ISIS represents a tiny portion of Islam, it is wrong to blame 1.5 billion Muslims for the atrocities committed by ISIS, and someone who has a favourable view of ISIS is not necessarily an ISIS supporter or extremist.

It will be easier than you think.

The government has census information + there's teh electoral register + migrants already have to register with the home office, and there are also means to cross-reference across other information databases.

I do understand where you're coming from!
Do you have any Muslim friends or relatives, do they know anyone that holds extremist views or has done anything terror related?
I do stand by my belief that British muslims are level-headed as they've not had first hand experience of brutality, injustice or war due to foreign policy. So quite honestly I don't think that their are many young terrorist sympathisers in established counties such as Qatar, Kuwait, Saudi, Britain etc.
It takes a person with extreme psychopathic tendencies to do half of the stuff that ISIS does and I can't imagine how they manipulate it into the words of Islam and get people to believe it, but really as much as I can debate and share my views I don't think that those that believe that a significant population of muslims hold extreme views is going to change their outlook on normal muslim folk walking down the street. We're not all bad, I promise
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NK

"whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.”

"to you is your religion and to me is my religion"- basically encouraging muslims to allow others to practice freely- Quran

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NK

Nobody (reasonable) is blaming all Muslims for the actions of the extremists (tens of thousands of them BTW).
However, they are expected to take a realistic approach to the influence that Islamic ideology has on them. Simply saying "They are not Muslims" and "It has nothing to do with Islam" makes it appear as thought they are simply denying reality and avoiding a difficult issue.

The problem is, when people have been brought up on a sanitised version of Islam that is not supported by the actual content of the Quran and sunnah, they find it difficult to accept the truth. That all the nasty stuff is in there along with the nice stuff that was cherry-picked for them. So they will execute (pardon the pun) all sorts of aplolgetic gymnastics and intellectual chicanery in order to distance themselves from their unacceptable relatives.

However, they steadfastly refuse to take the one step that would actually make a difference, to reject the passages that can be used to justify the killing, oppression and discrimination.

Yes no doubt that the individuals carrying out the terrorist attack hid behind the label "Muslim". But I can't just go and say that that there is a link between rape and Catholicism because Myra Hindley and Ian Brady were mass rapists and murderers.

All the condemnations that I have seen seem to be based on the idea that what they are doing "is not Islamic". This suggests that if what they are doing was Islamic, they would support it.

When you look at the scriptural justification that ISIS uses for its activities, we find that most of them appear to be supported by an unmodernised, literal interpretation of the Quran and sunnah. So what we appear to have in reality, is condemnation for "following a different interpretation of Islam", not for "being unislaimc".

I guess.

Not at all. It is important to judge individuals on the basis of their words and actions.
However, Islam - as an ideology - is a threat to secular, liberal democracy. Not because every Muslim wants to overthrow it - they clearly don't - but because the ideology readily produces people who do.

"whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.”

"to you is your religion and to me is my religion"- basically encouraging muslims to allow others to practice freely- Quran

Peace and love

NK

My point is being overcomplicated and manipulated by people including yourself.

My point is simple:

ISIS represents a tiny portion of Islam, it is wrong to blame 1.5 billion Muslims for the atrocities committed by ISIS, and someone who has a favourable view of ISIS is not necessarily an ISIS supporter or extremist.

Did Hitlers acts have anything to do with Catholicism?
Did Myra Hindley and Ian Brady's acts have anything to do with Christianity?
These inhumane idiots have a warped perception of religion. Terrorism is not Islamic or Christian.

Peace and love

NK

It's amusing that you're seriously telling me that we should blame all Muslims for the problems caused by an extremely small percentile of them.

Firstly, I do not pay much attention to polls, surveys or any other kind of statistical analysis that supposedly portrays someone as how you want to see them.

There was this book that I came across (I'll let you know the name if I remember the name) that was explaining how society (especially the Western demographic) has become obsessed and fixated on learning about other people, other cultures, other systems of life through numbers (i.e: how many people support what and where). Essentially, we want information boiled down to numbers and nothing else.

That is why I would genuinely discount any poll, survey or any other kind of statistical analysis that seeks to extrapolate the findings of a small minority of people upon a large group of people, especially with leading questions, in an attempt to confirm our own biases.


Secondly, the questions are presented, viewed and swallowed by us from our own perspective. We make no effort to understand that in societies such as those in the Pew Research, positions are not seen as binary and are in a state of fluidity.

In many Muslim countries, there are laws which prohibit what we consider to be homosexual activity (that of a relationship between members of the same sex) yet if you ask many of the men that engage in "homosexual" intercourse in their youths, hardly any of them (either active or passive) consider themselves homosexuals (Check out Stacey Dooley's: Sex in Strange Places - Turkey (On iPlayer)) yet it gives rise to interesting questions such as: Is homosexuality a choice? Can one change their sexual orientation?

From our perspective, we have come to see things in a black and white scenario. We either support it or we don't. In many other cultures around the world, they see things in shades of grey. Will an action considered acceptable now be considered acceptable in another circumstance?

Societies such as those, are constantly in a state of flux and I'll be damned if I'm going to pass judgement and form my views on billions of Muslims around the world based on the answers of a few thousand participants, who are given leading Western-centric questions.

someone who has a favourable view of ISIS is not necessarily an ISIS supporter or extremist.

So essentially you have nothing useful to say.

'What is your view on ISIS' is hardly a leading question.

OK.

But here is the point people are trying to reply with.

It is wrong and can very shown to be false, to make a clean, simple line dividing ISIS with the rest of the Muslim population. It has been shown by survey after survey for a decade (a strong cumulative case, with many surveys reinforcing the evidence) that many millions of worldwide muslims have the same views as ISIS.

That apostates should be killed, that terrorist attacks are acceptable, that it is acceptable to retaliate with violence when someone draws Muhammad etc. Literally muslims, in some cases tell majority of countries, in the middle east and North Africa share these values and beliefs with ISIS.

So, the main, basic point is - actually, ISIS and many other Muslims aren't completely different. They share extremist views. Again, in the millions.

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Did Hitlers acts have anything to do with Catholicism?

Did Myra Hindley and Ian Brady's acts have anything to do with Christianity?
These inhumane idiots have a warped perception of religion. Terrorism is not Islamic or Christian.

Peace and love

NK