Two explosions at Brussels Airport, several injured

If you didn't get the vibe, I had enough of you twisting my words.

In the end it all lleads to subjective statements tbh.
You will claim it is still Islam, whereas a fair amount of Muslims will disagree with the actions of ISIS.

The problem at its core is that ISIS have a large no. of people in the West believing their 'version' of Islam is the correct one.

the Quran encourages free religious practice
Quran-
“To you be your religion, to me be mine.”

There is an objective analysis of Islamist radicalism, its outreach to Muslim young people raised in the west and the ways we respond to that to prevent them carrying out actions like this and the need to deal firmly and finally with the IS threat and others.

Then there are racism peddlers like Trump and Le Pen, seizing on this and an army of little followers.

It's the latter that disgusts me and the way they leap on this. UKIP are no better.

Trump is one of the most outrageous, with his ridiculous characterisations of European capitals like London, Paris and Brussels as collapsed warzones, rhetoric that plays perfectly into the hands of the reactionary and racist Christian Right in the US, who gyrate wildly to these Pavlovian bells.

I don't see it as especially hypocritical when an extremely rare event (for a Western country) is focused on more than an event that happens more commonly further away.

as I mentioned elsewhere, I live in Brussels, and I know Molenbeek quite well : it is of course some sort of Moroccan/Muslim enclave in Brussels, but most people living there are just normal people, trying to get on with their lives

however : clannish, tribal, family solidarities run very strong, way beyond simple "Islamic" solidarity. This explains quite easily how jihadis had no problems in hiding out there

also, young, unemployed Muslims feel unjustly discriminated and marginalised (and there is some sort of truth in this claim). So, they have developed this total estrangement from mainstream society, and feel the fascination of the romantic life in the Caliphate (guns, women, violence ...)

It is highly symptomatic that most of Molenbeek jihadis already had some sort of criminal record for drug dealing, theft, car-jacking etc

so, we have here a case of "rebels without a cause" finally finding a cause : as it happens, an Islamic cause

but this is not a coincidence

i wanst really referring to your words, i just asked a simple question -
what is your view on the islamic doctrine that these people are exposed tocant see why youd have an issue with answering that if you were being genuine

I am atheist, and I think that the world would be a better place without religion, I have no predisposition to Islam over Christianity or any other faith.

thats not what i asked

If you are unable to tell me exactly why I should accept the word of a few thousand people as authority for the views on billions of people, then there is nothing further to discuss.

Unlike you and perhaps many others, I have no wish to stir up animosity purely for the sake of seeking validation for my biases. Unlike others, I have no vested interested in using such events to further my own Islamophobic agendas.

I am taking issue with the conclusions drawn from a poll which some people have taken as "evidence". I do not believe it is worth the paper it was written on and I wished to make that clear.

If you have any objections to what I have said, then please make them known to me but I can not stand by and allow gross negative distortions and misrepresentations, the precursor to a feeling of irrational views and hatred, without calling people out on it.

Did you know that more people are killed by a falling coconut than in a shark attack?

The phenomenon is referred to as, "Death by coconut".



Of course it is. It tells us nothing of substance and only serves to ingrain within oneself, a sense of validation, for consumption of a mainly Western orientated audience.

Do they like IS because it has brought some kind of stability from what was previously a corrupt regime? Do they dislike IS because it carries out beheadings? Are they looking at IS favourably because it is seen as taking on the "Great Satan"? Are they disgusted by the fact that IS seems to kill more Muslims than any other group?

To understand why people look upon IS favourably, we need to understand the reasons if we are ever to combat it's popularity and showing me a poll with numbers isn't going to cut mustard.

Yes, we may destroy IS militarily but if we fail to address the reasons for it's creation and growth, then we are simply going to for another go on the merry-go-round, this time with another barbaric group.

The people surveyed in those countries have lived very different lives to us in the West and perhaps even Syria/Iraq and seeing IS how we see them is radically different to their own experiences.

These people probably don't even care about surveys and polls or make decisions based on how something will play out in the public sphere. They make decisions based on their experiences and quantifying those experiences to a simple "Do you view ISIS favourably?" is irrelevant and tells me absolutely nothing so forgive me if I sit this latest episode of whipping up people, through gross distortions, manipulation and misrepresentations to support my Islamophobic agenda out.

make your question clearer, which doctrine

I do understand where you're coming from!
Do you have any Muslim friends or relatives, do they know anyone that holds extremist views or has done anything terror related?

oh yeah? really? so you're saying that it's about distance?

genocide in palestine? noone cares.
terror attack in australia? everyone cares.
whereas both countries are distant to uk.

or, attack in israel? straight away front page.
attack iraq? it doesn't matter.

dont worrry about it. i think the answer was obvious a while back

You remind me of those annoying kids who post Britain First stuff thinking that they are being really clever when really they are just making themselves look like fools.

Save yourself.