Why do people think Donald Trump is racist?

There we go what?

Do you really need evidence that people can be forced or pressured into organizations they don't agree with? Or that they may be ignorant as to the intentions of said organizations? The band Prussian Blue spring to mind, as do the Hitler Youth, not to mention the many people being forced to work for ISIS.

Its simple, I prefer to judge someones views on what those views are, not what I assume those views are.

Please, "Race, as a social construct, is a group of people who share similar and distinct physical characteristics.".

Muslims are not a race. So therefore, it is impossible to be racist to Muslims in particular.

He settled the case. And then changed operating practices. There isn't a quota, but he (or his company) lied to potential black clients saying there was no availability when there really was. There were also different financial requirements that had to be met for black people.

In the press conference, you can tell that he really doesn't care. He's saying it because he knows he has to. He didn't believe it in the slightest.

Two men beat up a homeless Latino man, broke his nose and urinated on him in Trumps name. He responded by saying that he doesn't condone violence, but that we need that energy and passion. This was pretty positive in favor of the attackers, I don't see how almost supporting them isn't racist.

Maybe its not racist

Racist, maybe not.

Fine, directly maybe this isn't racist.

Which isn't the kind of person I would want in any position of power.

Progress.

More progress.

We are on a roll!

For now I just want to point out that you ignored the part where he suggested the mass murder of civilians because it was aimed at people of a certain religion and not a race.

Well your assertion was that he is racist, and that may be evidence of his bigotry or hatred of a religion, but is irrelevant with regards to substantiating your assertion (which I am disputing).

If you read my posts, I don't actually claim he is racist. I've consistently maintained that he may just be appealing to racism if he isn't racist himself. Also I don't see how it is irrelevant, if someone is that xenophobic and that hateful its makes racism very believable.

Your original post was to answer the thread title asking why people think he is racist, and you did this by citing examples that you believe justifiably lead people to believe he is racist.


I do not deny that some of those things may cause people to believe he is racist, but that doesn't mean he actually is.

Thank you for acknowledging that my post was answering the posed question.

Thats already been covered in thread.

But fine, when you specifically focus on race there are less examples. But I feel like saying things like that gets trump off on a technicality. He's definitely xenophobic and bigoted, with suggestions towards racism.

You can be a bigot towards a religious group, which he is. I didn't call him a racist with regards to his views towards Muslims. What makes him a likely racist is his derogatory views about Mexicans, the way he refuses to denounce his KKK supporters and the way he insisted that Obama was not born in America, attempting to prove his claim was true. Could you see him doing the same with a White president?

1) proof that you did say there are 'plenty of people'..

2) If you're gonna say there are a considerable number of people that are forced into such groups, im gonna need proof.

Dont make assumptions based on fascist groups that exist in the past. Hitler youth - They werent forced, they agreed with the fascist views. ISIS - Whilst they are forced to work for them, doesnt mean they are part of ISIS. Only those who agree with the radical views 'join' ISIS

I never denied this.



Your starting to build a strawman there. What I'm concerned with is whether there it's possible for a person to be associated with an organization, and not agree with said organization. The threshold for me is very small, similar to Capital punishment, where even if one innocent person is treated as Guilty, that is enough for me to disagree with capital punishment.

I will admit it will be difficult to get statistics on how many people are in this situation, because it's not something you can really check for.




Thats why I gave the example of Prussian Blue. Various members of Scientology being other examples. This isn't just specific to extremist groups. If someone can be, for example, a registered member of the Labour party but not actually support their leader or all of their policies, I see no reason why this wouldn't apply to other groups.

You may not have realised but he already has done the same against a white presidential candidate, Ted Cruz.
Trump claims, now proved falsely, that Cruz cannot be the president because he is Canadian.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-01-27/ted-cruz-is-not-a-natural-born-citizen-according-to-the-constitution

You cant make statements if you have no proof.

Your labour party comparison is wrong too. Maybe they wont agree with the leader or the policies but they generally are left wing. A right wing person wont support labour.

Being associated with a group means the person agrees with the general ideas of the group. You're spiralling of the original argument now, scraping the bottom of the barrel for points. I've provided rebuttal to your points and you've simply ignored them and just wasted my time

please dont continue, you're just wasting your own time.

I have provided several examples of people who are members or associated with groups but do not agree with them.



Again, no. You can be a member of the labour party and not actively support them. You might even vote conservative.

He isn't irrationally against illegal immigrants, so he isn't xenophobic.

And thank for subsequently conceding that many of the points you raised do not show that he is a racist.