Can we all reflect on all the good things Islam does for the world?

But on topic:
The Islamic Golden Age preserved and improved upon much classical science and philosophy, which was invaluable to the development of western civilisation. Hats off to them.

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Original post by RobML

But on topic:
The Islamic Golden Age preserved and improved upon much classical science and philosophy, which was invaluable to the development of western civilisation. Hats off to them.

not really much to do with islam. just a bunch of persians re-discovering ancient books.
presumably they would have said - "The ancient and classical which was invaluable to the development of islamic civilisation"

the pre islamic greeks egyptians and indians were far more advanced than the first muslims

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Original post by Reformed

Meh, it played a role

The various Quranic injunctions and Hadith, which place values on education and emphasize the importance of acquiring knowledge, played a vital role in influencing the Muslims of this age in their search for knowledge and the development of the body of science

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Original post by KingBradly

I know it's hard at times like this, but can't we all reflect on the good things Islam does for the world?

The greatest tragedy with these attacks is the way Islam and it's adherents are demonized because of them.

People don't reflect on the bad, they never mention it enough. Did you know that in the last 30 days, there have been:
124 Islamic attacks
1289 killed In Islamic terrorist attacks
2008 injured in said Islamic terrorist attacks
21 suicide blasts
in 22 countries.

Do you hear facts like that? No, because the media is not reporting on facts anymore. Please educate yourselves as the media will not.

It's far easier to act as if critics of Islam have a problem with Muslims as people than it is to accept the uncomfortable truth that Islam needs reforming.

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Original post by RobML

Meh, it played a role

i recognise that quote direct from the wiki page on Islamic Golden Age

however if that were accurate, the first muslims would have invented maths instead of being innumerate and the first quran would have had a numbering system, instead of it having to be added decades later having learnt to count from the Hindus and how to measure from the polyeithist Greeks

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Original post by Reformed

Did you expect them to be instantly imbued with this knowledge upon becoming Muslim?

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Original post by RobML

Did you expect them to be instantly imbued with this knowledge upon becoming Muslim?

well if islam genuinely was responsible, then yes ?

i think the point worth making was that the greeks came up with a lot more clever stuff without ever opening the quran. and indeed the chinese invented more important things than all the muslims in the worlds history before ever hearing about mohammed.

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Original post by RobML

Meh, it played a role

in case you were genuinelly interested , this is quite a good summary of the actual background of the golden age that prob is not explained on internet forums

https://parseundparse.wordpress.com/2012/01/20/the-golden-age-of-islam-another-theft-of-persian-heritage-and-history/

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Original post by Reformed

Islam was partly responsible for setting up an enviroment that allowed knowlege to flourish. That takes time though. Why do you assume it has to be more or less instant?

No one suggested Islam was the sole bearer of knowlege so I've no idea what you're trying to say there.

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Original post by Reformed

Cheers, I'll read it tomorrow

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Original post by RobML

well i was saying the knowledge of the golden age came orginally form non muslims, and was developed as part of an pre-islamic persian scientific tradition

its worth reading that link i posted, its written by pro persian historians who werent fans of the arabs, but does contain relevant facts about how the persian tradition of learning and science that the first arab muslim invaders couldnt not fathom. and they were forced to translate all their works (and write all future ones) in arabic , so they could claim the fame for islam

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Original post by Reformed

40 military campaigns - presumably he used the vulcan nerve grip on all his enemies and jsut put them all to sleep

banu qurazya tribe?

executed satirists?

executed slaves?

executed poets?

wrong you haven't provided any references i bet you just quickly googled when i asked you that question, you shouldn't comment on topics you have no clue about. From authentic narrations it is known that muhammad killed only one ubay ibn khalaf (ibn katheers tafseer). Other than that there is are authentic narrations of him killing anyone

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Original post by iceberger

i cant google that fast, noone can

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Original post by Reformed

in that case- as the west has done LOL translated the arabic books into english and claimed the fame.

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Original post by Reformed

i cant google that fast, noone can

yh i know right, takes hrs doesn't it

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Original post by iceberger

in that case- as the west has done LOL translated the arabic books into english and claimed the fame.

not really, the europeans (incorrectly ) gave credit to the arabs, naming algebra after al-Khwarizmis arabic term al-jabr, even though the greeks indians and chinese all had invented algebra centuries before islam

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Original post by Reformed

lol the greeks believed the earth was flat, anyway it doesn't matter who invented what as long as the knowledge benefits all mankind thats the main thing

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