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Belgium attacks: Yet again, just the standard response and no action

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Original post by xxvine
The majority of Muslims integrate though
At college school sixth form they are pretty much like us. Don't understand why people keep saying they don't integrate.


How many Muslim girls do you know who date non Muslims? Let alone marry?

People say they don't integrate because they don't integrate.
Original post by xxvine
The majority of Muslims integrate though
At college school sixth form they are pretty much like us. Don't understand why people keep saying they don't integrate.


Go to an ISOC meeting when you go to University, then you will understand.
Original post by JezWeCan!
How many Muslim girls do you know who date non Muslims? Let alone marry?

People say they don't integrate because they don't integrate.


So because you have never seen a Muslim girl marrying a non-Muslim, you make the assumption that Muslins don't integrate?

My neighbour is a male who went to study Arabic and married a Muslim woman, and he was atheist before.
Sometimes i read the utterely hideous naive ignorant left wing views in response to each and every atrocity and I cant help but feel that we deserve it.

Someone on another forum earnestly argued today that " the attacks have nothing to do with Islam... its radicilisation thats the problem."

I am simply lost for words that a person (A university educated adult at that) could think this is rational argument. How does this person account for 99.99% of attacks come from people of one faith and an extreme minority faith to boot?? How?? Why do we not see a representative sample equal to a countries demographics if Islam has nothing to do with it but radicilisation is the problem?

Its the same for idiots who argue poverty is the reason as though only muslims live in poverty in the west.

IT IS FLABBERGASTING and can only make me think of what R Dawkins once tweeted

Why are people so desperate, desperate, DESPERATE to find something, anything, ANYTHING to blame in order to avoid blaming religion?
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Original post by ChaoticButterfly
I don't see how someone can be against what ISIS are doing in the middle east and then willingly send more of the Islamist terrorists over there to help carry out the same kind of crimes against humanity ISIS are commiting in the middle-east which is much worse than anything they have done here. It;s not consistent or coherent.

It;s fine if you adopt a more isolationist siege mentality. As long as it doesn't effect us we don't care. But at that point one may as well join Stop the War. It has the same outcome. But from an internationalist left wing viewpoint I very much care about the plight of people like the kurds and their social experiments in democracy and socialism. I want to help them, not leave them to fend for themselves against ISIS and regimes like the Assad dicatorship. Which is also why I do not hold the same view about Assad and Gadaffi. They are very much a threat to people as well. Then throw out NATO ally Turkey into the mix and these Kurds are being attacked from all angles, angles our government are complicit in.


The bit in bold: yes I'm against what they are doing. But that is not the same as caring. I care for the people in Britain (or the west in general), not the middle east. Just because I dislike what they are doing, that does not mean I am against deporting terrorists to these places. In principle I am against them beheading and raping, obviously. But my priority is Britain. I have no problem with "exporting" the problem to the middle east if it means that it will no longer be a problem that troubles us.

I used to be a slight internationalist, believing that we should do something out of mere principle, but as I learnt more and more about the history of the middle east through university, the less and less I cared about these people. I simply don't care.
Original post by Farm_Ecology
Excelent commentary and spot on.

already begun with "what about turkey???" And talks about how the real victims are the muslims , and how even linking isis with islam is "what the terrorist want"


Original post by AlwaysWatching


Muslims and Islam are the real victims though. If you are Muslim you are likely to be attacked simply over race, culture or religion, you people will never understand what that is like. The rights of the many outweigh the rights of the few
Original post by JezWeCan!
How many Muslim girls do you know who date non Muslims? Let alone marry?

People say they don't integrate because they don't integrate.


Wrong. Muslims don't integrate because in today's society they are highly likely to be attacked, physically or verbally by non Muslims. The fault lies with people like you who have let figures like trump and farage rise
Original post by JezWeCan!
How many Muslim girls do you know who date non Muslims? Let alone marry?

People say they don't integrate because they don't integrate.

Ehh what's marriage got to do with this? If you want to marry somebody from your own background that should be your own right shouldn't it?
How many middle/upper class white people marry people from ethnic minorities?

Who you marry is a personal thing. I don't see how this indicates you do not integrate?
Original post by xxvine
Crazy world we live in
All threads are about Islam.


It's because the west let figures like trump rise without knocking them down. It is sad.


Original post by vickidc18
Sorry to burst your bubble but South America has very few muslims compared to population and tend to be devout catholics there aren't enough muslims in South America to demand changes and be violent because they would be kicked out . More muslims = more bombings japan and south Korea have virtually no muslims there's no bombing or jihad there.


Listen girl, did you ever consider its you people showing little to no respect to the Muslim population? You force your culture on us, force us to change our ways and then insult us, grow up. Anyway the terrorists are not Muslim so I don't see why you are trying to make an association
Original post by Frank Underwood
So because you have never seen a Muslim girl marrying a non-Muslim, you make the assumption that Muslins don't integrate?

My neighbour is a male who went to study Arabic and married a Muslim woman, and he was atheist before.


Is he a muslim now? :biggrin:

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Original post by Arsenal96123
Muslims and Islam are the real victims though. If you are Muslim you are likely to be attacked simply over race, culture or religion, you people will never understand what that is like. The rights of the many outweigh the rights of the few


The Western response:

30 people have been killed in a terrorist attack in Brussels my Islamic extremists.


Pray for muslims

Edit: never mind. I bit the trolls bait

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Original post by Slipandsquirm
Is he a muslim now? :biggrin:

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not anymore
Original post by Frank Underwood
not anymore


So he was an atheist, then converted to marry and then deconverted?

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Original post by Slipandsquirm
The Western response:

30 people have been killed in a terrorist attack in Brussels my Islamic extremists.


Pray for muslims

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Actually, the western response has been:
- several raids on locations linked to the suspects
- worldwide condemnation of ISIL's actions, I mean even North Korea offered their condolences, that says something about the world's attitudes towards ISIS, particularly given that ISIS are anti-america and anti-EU
- emergency meetings chaired by David Cameron and others to discuss the issue
- Belgium's terror threat level raised
- worldwide social media showing integrity in Europe
Original post by AlwaysWatching
Why ask me a question, saying TL;DR when the answer is in the article? - Read the article then? Douglas Murray has also answered this in other works and speeches.


Having a spare few minutes I've actually read this. No where does he mention what we should do, he mearly points out what we do now. So once again; what do you suppose we do, Enistein?
Original post by Frank Underwood
Actually, the western response has been:
- several raids on locations linked to the suspects
- worldwide condemnation of ISIL's actions, I mean even North Korea offered their condolences, that says something about the world's attitudes towards ISIS, particularly given that ISIS are anti-america and anti-EU
- emergency meetings chaired by David Cameron and others to discuss the issue
- Belgium's terror threat level raised
- worldwide social media showing integrity in Europe


So you managed to pull 'condolences and condemnation' out as much as you could.

Cobra meeting is expected. Follow up raids based on intelligence is a minimum.

Anyway, you didn't get the point if the post. Shock horror.

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Original post by Slipandsquirm
So you managed to pull 'condolences and condemnation' out as much as you could.

Cobra meeting is expected. Follow up raids based on intelligence is a minimum.

Anyway, you didn't get the point if the post. Shock horror.

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I just proved to you that there was a bigger response than 'only praying for Muslims'. And you still find an excuse to cry about it.

Not to mention the things I didn't bring up, like the nationwide manhunt for the alive perpetrator, the inevitable improvement of Belgian transport security, etc.
Original post by The Wavefunction
Having a spare few minutes I've actually read this. No where does he mention what we should do, he mearly points out what we do now. So once again; what do you suppose we do, Enistein?


Read his other speeches and also read this thread.
Original post by Frank Underwood
I just proved to you that there was a bigger response than 'only praying for Muslims'. And you still find an excuse to cry about it.

Not to mention the things I didn't bring up, like the nationwide manhunt for the alive perpetrator, the inevitable improvement of Belgian transport security, etc.


First time you've replied to a post head on instead of going around irrelevant things. Such a shame it was to a tongue in cheek post on the ironic 'muslims are the real victims' crap. There were so many better posts to tackle.

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Original post by AlwaysWatching
Read his other speeches and also read this thread.

I'd prefer it if you told me, to be honest.

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