Atheists, do you believe that god doesn't exist?

Atheists are normally 100% on it and if you re unsure you might identify as being agnostic instead.

Atheists are normally 100% on it and if you re unsure you might identify as being agnostic instead.

I don't think that this is true. So-called strong atheism is relatively rare in my experience, and most atheists tend to call themselves this because of how poorly understood agnosticism is (it's not difficult to find people who think that agnostics think it's a 50/50 probability, whereas it's probably closer to 99 percent certainty for many people who are technically agnostics, making identifying as an atheist a better choice for day-to-day purposes).

it's probably closer to 99 percent certainty for many people who are technically agnostics, making identifying as an atheist a better choice for most intents and purposes.

Atheists are normally 100% on it and if you re unsure you might identify as being agnostic instead.

I'm an apatheist. Why disbelieve when you can simply not care?

That's a massive over simplification and frankly just wrong.

All agnostics are actually atheists but not all atheists are agnostics.

Agnosticism is an epistemic claim. Atheism is a meta-physical one.

Agnosticism = We cannot gain knowledge about God. One would imagine that if one thinks we cannot gain knowledge about something then one would believe it to not exist. It is possible for someone to be a gnostic theist, but this is very rare as it is frankly an absurd belief.

Atheism = God doesn't exist. Strength of the belief is irrelevant. It's just the general belief that God doesn't exist whether someone is certain in the truth of that belief or actually very unsure. Hence these people who call themselves agnostic when all they mean is that they are not sure whether or not God exists or not are actually atheists and not agnostics at all - they often say there's reasons to believe and not believe, hence they think we can know stuff about God.

P.S I am a strong atheist (read; certain) concerning the abrahamic God and a weak atheist (read; doesn't believe in albeit not with certainty but probabilistic knowledge) concerning other deities.

Where were you when all those quasi philosophers where arguing with me about the fact that agnosticism and atheism aren't mutually exclusive

Ugh. It's a bit of a pet hate of mine because I have no idea where this notion of agnosticism being this super intelligent, very smart, alternative to atheism came from.

It just reeks of scientism and special-snowflakism which I suppose is apt of most post-modern beliefs held by lay people concerning either science or philosophy. Frankly too, it undermines secular power within politics and society. And that pisses me off because I don't like religious influence in society one little bit. I hate religious influence on morality and thereby law for example...

That said and emotions out of the way, hope you're doing well Strawbs, not spoke to you in ages! Wish I could catch up with you more, however I'm actually off in 10mins to get ready for a door supervision exam I need to take because I want a SIA license

Why are you getting upvoted... What a ridiculous and infantile thing to say.

Why should you disbelieve when you can simply not care? Uhhh, because that's the truth of the world? Quite frankly by not giving a damn you automatically are disbelieving in God. Because if someone asks you "Yo, bruv, is God real?" and you say you don't give a ****, well ****, that means you don't believe in God, hence you're an atheist, albeit a specific type of atheist... an apatheist...

Which is intellectually lazy ****. You're as bad as the religious person who has faith. Those who say - "Why not believe in God when everyone you love around you does and he's such a wonderful character and believing in him might help us?"

That's a massive over simplification and frankly just wrong.

All agnostics are actually atheists but not all atheists are agnostics.

Agnosticism is an epistemic claim. Atheism is a meta-physical one.

Agnosticism = We cannot gain knowledge about God. One would imagine that if one thinks we cannot gain knowledge about something then one would believe it to not exist. It is possible for someone to be an agnostic theist, but this is very rare as it is frankly an absurd belief.

Atheism = God doesn't exist. Strength of the belief is irrelevant. It's just the general belief that God doesn't exist whether someone is certain in the truth of that belief or actually very unsure. Hence these people who call themselves agnostic when all they mean is that they are not sure whether or not God exists or not are actually atheists and not agnostics at all - they often say there's reasons to believe and not believe, hence they think we can know stuff about God.

P.S I am a strong atheist (read; certain) concerning the abrahamic God and a weak atheist (read; doesn't believe in albeit not with certainty but probabilistic knowledge) concerning other deities.