ISoc members found guilty of islamist plot

I think I left uni,the same year these guy started their course and they were located at strand campus if they were studying maths or physics. They're tarnishing KCL! Argh! Wasn't there a similar situation at UCL,and their ISOC? The delta airline bomber kid,whose plot was foiled. I did meet a lot of friendly fellow KCL students at the free Palestine events the uni held but I didn't expect anything extreme was going on behind the scenes

if you asked my personal op, i would always be suspicious of someone that joins an Isoc - they are generaly very self-promoting and also political groups that enjoy preaching to each other and bad mouthing anyone else. perfect for attracting these sort of nutjobs

i think if you are genuinally religious and committed to your beleifs and emotionally sound, you dont need to braodcast the fact every day or seek validation form likeminded individuals

anyway Daesh aren't really Muslims, they only think they are

Just to make it clear. Christians follow the teachings of Christ.

If Christ isn't evident in their lives then they are not Christians.

Not convinced you understand their faith, and how seriously many of them take it all (including the violent/oppressive commandments) vs. the unique set of sociological challenges they face

Active plots, mercifully rare, at present, for sure

Really not surprised by this. The Islamic Societies at some of the London universities are scary!

Terrorism has no religion! The IRA were christians, anyway Daesh aren't really Muslims, they only think they are

(Just like protestants aren't catholic, and catholics aren't protestant, even though they follow the same book, the interpretations are different)



They probably faced a lot of Islamophobia and racism too. Don't try and tell me that these people had the same privileges as their white counterparts

Disappointing Racoon - you are not "qualified" to say who's a Christian or not, surely.

1) We both know that's not true, there are elements of the behaviour of most of them that are shall we say 'not neutral' and somewhat dubious

2) You mix with a certain class of people. The majority of Muslims in the UK are not from that sort of (comfortable/enlightened) background, including those who make it into KCL. Unfortunately Blair et al. encouraged millions of Muslims to emigrate from relatively backwards regions

3) Outward appearances can be deceptive, and it doesn't take much to tip e.g. a young, hot headed, placeless, sexually frustrated/starved person who finds it difficult to establish common ground with the host population of disparate 'infidels' vs. a strong tribal/civilisational affinity with 'brothers and sisters' who (s)he sees suffering - apparently as a direct consequence of the actions of the infidels, who may have been subject to discrimination, may not feel rewarded in life, and may be drawn to the seemingly rich and righteous glamorised propaganda of groups like ISIS

Disappointing Racoon - you are not "qualified" to say who's a Christian or not, surely.

You say it like the societies alone are a problem? Problem is faaaaar wider than that.

Christian literally means "follower of Christ", I agree with Racoon on this. A person who lives their life by the principles taught by Jesus, or tries to, would be a Christian. It's literally in the name.

Islam means surrender/submission to Allah....

Christian is someone who identifies as Christian - end of. It's non of your or anyone else's business apart from that.

And why is it "surrender/submission"? Because it's different to your own beliefs?

Anything that seems unbalanced/inequitable, abnormal, uncomfortable or unsettling to you and/or to British citizens more generally

You can be a well educated, open minded radical. Heck, I'm probably regarded as a radical myself. The more a Muslim learns of Islamic orthodoxy a la Koran/Hadiths and about the (policies/actions of) Anglo-American establishment, and the more one is exposed to Western (mal)culture, the more they are somewhat naturally inclined to view the West as malevolent and their religious duty, Jihad, as akin to that espoused by the likes of ISIS. If the tables were turned, can we seriously say that we would certainly not form similar views? We cannot

The 'lucky' (subjective) few do. Many of the rest feel lost, hence a steady stream of youngsters ripe for radicalisation. We've touched on this in prior conversations about mixed heritage and loss of sense of self/personal identity a la politics of identity. Being as c.50% of male Muslims are economically inactive, and they often live in relatively closed societies, forbidden from enjoying the vices of the kafir, one must conclude that their enjoyment of our freedoms is rather limited indeed

Indeed so, as per the above

Maajid Nawaz et al. would like us to "control the narrative", but that's very paternalistic, and difficult to achieve, across the board, in a meaningful sense (particularly against the grain of the above understandable hangups)

It's an important part of understanding the psychological and psychosocial factors often at play. Young guys are full of sexual, egotistical, and emotional energy. If they cannot find release/purpose/validation here is it so surprising that they should look elsewhere and be seduced by promise of an arranged bride, a 'fantastic' cause, and the joys of Islamic brotherhood and prospect of a virtuous death a la martyrdom in the name of Allah? It's very potent. Indeed, if you watch the final moments of the Paris Porte de Vincennes supermarket siege, you can see just how potent it is when, instead of massacring hostages, or really trying to maximise police casualties, Amedy Coulibaly opted to rush the infidels for extra martyr points (knowing he would be met by a wall of bullets)

Good, but I sense that dubious attitudes and behaviour extend right across most of your (male) friends of Eastern origin

Poor, silly fools

Please Miss, character reference?

Yup. These are people that you acquainted, and to some extent aligned, yourself with. Let this be a moment for humble reflection, my child

In a climate of blanket tolerance + minority communities reach a certain critical mass + there is a catalyst = expect violent reactions. This is a lesson that the West is only just beginning to wake up to. We're in for a very bumpy voyage of discovery on the road ahead

You think other religions don't do killings? or are you just that stupid?