Pakistani people! What is your vision for Pakistan's future ?
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Original post by godofwine
Hopefully, a better cricket team too
Maybe Imran Khan can achieve that...?
I don't see a good future for Pakistan unless a selfless and devoted individual eradicates corruption at the highest order. I don't think Imran Khan is going to achieve this. I for one plan to enter Pakistani politics after studying PPE at Oxford. InshaAllah.
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Original post by King !
4) Representative democracy is not working for Pakistan. We need a secular liberal permanent leader like Bashar Al Assad ( before the Syrian War) or King Abdullah ( from Jordan ) or maybe how China works. A leader who can make fast and quick decision in the interest of his country. However he should be liberal and secular and not like Zial Hul Haq ( I am so happy he died in such a disgusting manner, he deserved it). The issue with representative democracy is that it takes too long to make decisions and often proposals are moulded and altered when they go through the parliamentary scrutiny, and thereby the initial effectiveness of the proposals is watered down. And nothing is done in Parliament, and we see that in Pakistan. Morever we can see the high amount of corruption that is perpetuated in Pakistan because of a system which is not meant to help Pakistan in the first place.
I agreed with most of your post except for this (and banning religious TV channels and political parties and McDonald's... ). The reasoning here is awfully flawed, but to be concise about it: corruption and lack of progress isn't caused by representative democracy -- else we'd see it more frequently in countries that employ this form of democracy. Pakistan hasn't got its constitution right and naturally suffers from all the political problems of a poor country additionally ravaged by religious fundamentalism. (Once it has a secular constitution with a proper separation of powers and a bill of rights (again, there's something awfully ironic about trying to make the place more liberal by dictating which religions, if any, may run television channels...), politics should surely improve, if a little slower than one might want.)
Emulating Ataturk's Turkey in the latter respect -- with a tremendous effort to improve the literacy rate, among other drastic social changes -- is essential for progress. What Pakistan doesn't need is more dictators, especially of the Assad variety, and I really do think that it's silly of you to make the case for dictatorship, considering how much of Pakistan's history shows this to be a failed idea. With dictators, whether you get a secular and liberal one or not is purely a matter of luck, which I'd why the more enlightened parts of the world seem to manage just fine with representative democracy, whatever its caveats.
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Original post by MR.ANONYMOUS 786
I don't see a good future for Pakistan unless a selfless and devoted individual eradicates corruption at the highest order. I don't think Imran Khan is going to achieve this. I for one plan to enter Pakistani politics after studying PPE at Oxford. InshaAllah.
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Yeah, even though he seems a nice guy and has decent support, I have my doubts on Imran Khan (and I'm not even Pakistani!)
Good luck on your endeavours! Pakistan needs more positive and uncorrupted politicians like you (or hopefully like you
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I think it will turn secular as soon as Arab pressure is stomped out and terrorist numbers are limited. Contrary to belief many Pakistanis aren't that religious at all
Original post by chemting
Yeah, even though he seems a nice guy and has decent support, I have my doubts on Imran Khan (and I'm not even Pakistani!)
Good luck on your endeavours! Pakistan needs more positive and uncorrupted politicians like you (or hopefully like you)
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Thanks. I wanted to become a politician since 7 after watching Christopher Lee's Jinnah. It's been a life long dream and I'm not in it for the money. The only thing is that I know that even if I succeed in eradicating corruption in that nation and actually build nation worth calling out loud. The ending for me won't be very pleasant. If you know what I mean ? However, that's a risk I'm willing to take.
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Original post by MR.ANONYMOUS 786
Thanks. I wanted to become a politician since 7 after watching Christopher Lee's Jinnah. It's been a life long dream and I'm not in it for the money. The only thing is that I know that even if I succeed in eradicating corruption in that nation and actually build nation worth calling out loud. The ending for me won't be very pleasant. If you know what I mean ? However, that's a risk I'm willing to take.
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I know exactly what you mean
.... if you need a bodyguard, you know where to find me 
Original post by Not So Average
I think it will turn secular as soon as Arab pressure is stomped out and terrorist numbers are limited. Contrary to belief many Pakistanis aren't that religious at all
Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco...are Arab countries and are far more liberal than Pakistan. Lets not always blame the Arabs, we have some responsibility in this as well.
you do realise Pakistan was FORMED as an islamic state, I disagree with alot of your removal of religious stuff.
You basically want to turn it into India wtf if you have such a problem go and live in India, the segregation from india was for muslims to have their own place where they don't get slaughtered and such.
Extremism etc should obviously be removed and those stupid channels. I disagree with making it so liberal.
You basically want to turn it into India wtf if you have such a problem go and live in India, the segregation from india was for muslims to have their own place where they don't get slaughtered and such.
Extremism etc should obviously be removed and those stupid channels. I disagree with making it so liberal.
Original post by King !
Hi
Pakistan has been deteriorating over the years now. From corruption over the moon, to terrorism spreading over the country and minorities unprotected and helpless. However, my aim with this thread is to see what the Pakistani youth wishes to see Pakistan in the future. What is you vision for Pakistan? What kind of Pakistan do you want
My vision is...
1) A secular Pakistan. A Pakistan where there is a separation between state and religion, whether it be Islam, Christianity..Religious laws should be abolished and religious scholars should have no say whatsoever in Politics. Blasphemy Laws, or Punishment for apostasy should be outlawed, Pakistan should follow the model of countries like Turkey, Albania or Uzbekistan. Religious TV channels should be banned for spreading hate and intolerance ! And hate preachers should be jailed and have receive no media attention
2) A liberal Pakistan, A Pakistan where a women should be able to dress however without facing any kind of fatwas ( following from the first point ) or anger from the public. ( That anger should be used to address issues like poverty and corruption ). A Pakistan where no one should be judged or discriminated regardless of what race, religion , gender or sexual orientation he subscribes to.
3) A women friendly Pakistan ! Dont need to add anything to this because we all know what Pakistani women have to go through. Some have not got basic rights.
4) Representative democracy is not working for Pakistan. We need a secular liberal permanent leader like Bashar Al Assad ( before the Syrian War) or King Abdullah ( from Jordan ) or maybe how China works. A leader who can make fast and quick decision in the interest of his country. However he should be liberal and secular and not like Zial Hul Haq ( I am so happy he died in such a disgusting manner, he deserved it). The issue with representative democracy is that it takes too long to make decisions and often proposals are moulded and altered when they go through the parliamentary scrutiny, and thereby the initial effectiveness of the proposals is watered down. And nothing is done in Parliament, and we see that in Pakistan. Morever we can see the high amount of corruption that is perpetuated in Pakistan because of a system which is not meant to help Pakistan in the first place.
5)
Things I would make illegal and criminalize:
Religious Channels, Faith schools, Religious leaders in Politics, Religious political parties, Niqab/Burka under the age of 21, McDonalds,..any religious law..
Things I would make legal and decriminalize:
Alcohol, Weed, Homosexuality,...
Pakistan has been deteriorating over the years now. From corruption over the moon, to terrorism spreading over the country and minorities unprotected and helpless. However, my aim with this thread is to see what the Pakistani youth wishes to see Pakistan in the future. What is you vision for Pakistan? What kind of Pakistan do you want
My vision is...
1) A secular Pakistan. A Pakistan where there is a separation between state and religion, whether it be Islam, Christianity..Religious laws should be abolished and religious scholars should have no say whatsoever in Politics. Blasphemy Laws, or Punishment for apostasy should be outlawed, Pakistan should follow the model of countries like Turkey, Albania or Uzbekistan. Religious TV channels should be banned for spreading hate and intolerance ! And hate preachers should be jailed and have receive no media attention
2) A liberal Pakistan, A Pakistan where a women should be able to dress however without facing any kind of fatwas ( following from the first point ) or anger from the public. ( That anger should be used to address issues like poverty and corruption ). A Pakistan where no one should be judged or discriminated regardless of what race, religion , gender or sexual orientation he subscribes to.
3) A women friendly Pakistan ! Dont need to add anything to this because we all know what Pakistani women have to go through. Some have not got basic rights.
4) Representative democracy is not working for Pakistan. We need a secular liberal permanent leader like Bashar Al Assad ( before the Syrian War) or King Abdullah ( from Jordan ) or maybe how China works. A leader who can make fast and quick decision in the interest of his country. However he should be liberal and secular and not like Zial Hul Haq ( I am so happy he died in such a disgusting manner, he deserved it). The issue with representative democracy is that it takes too long to make decisions and often proposals are moulded and altered when they go through the parliamentary scrutiny, and thereby the initial effectiveness of the proposals is watered down. And nothing is done in Parliament, and we see that in Pakistan. Morever we can see the high amount of corruption that is perpetuated in Pakistan because of a system which is not meant to help Pakistan in the first place.
5)
Things I would make illegal and criminalize:
Religious Channels, Faith schools, Religious leaders in Politics, Religious political parties, Niqab/Burka under the age of 21, McDonalds,..any religious law..
Things I would make legal and decriminalize:
Alcohol, Weed, Homosexuality,...
Your idea of Pakistan is basically the exact opposite of what Pakistan really is first and foremost- a Muslim country with strong traditional, conservative religious influences. I don't think even 1% of Pakistanis would agree that religion should be separated from church, or that homosexuality should be legal and definitely that alcohol should be legal. It's just not going to happen- it conflicts with everything that Pakistan is and what Pakistanis identify with.
Original post by Trapz99
Your idea of Pakistan is basically the exact opposite of what Pakistan really is first and foremost- a Muslim country with strong traditional, conservative religious influences. I don't think even 1% of Pakistanis would agree that religion should be separated from church, or that homosexuality should be legal and definitely that alcohol should be legal. It's just not going to happen- it conflicts with everything that Pakistan is and what Pakistanis identify with.
you said it way better than me. basically this ^^^^^^^^
Original post by chemting
I know exactly what you mean .... if you need a bodyguard, you know where to find me
.... if you need a bodyguard, you know where to find me I respect that man. I'm be sure to keep in touch with you. You may take this as a joke but I'm actually quite serious. Someone has to do it.
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Original post by medhelp
you do realise Pakistan was FORMED as an islamic state, I disagree with alot of your removal of religious stuff.
You basically want to turn it into India wtf if you have such a problem go and live in India, the segregation from india was for muslims to have their own place where they don't get slaughtered and such.
Extremism etc should obviously be removed and those stupid channels. I disagree with making it so liberal.
You basically want to turn it into India wtf if you have such a problem go and live in India, the segregation from india was for muslims to have their own place where they don't get slaughtered and such.
Extremism etc should obviously be removed and those stupid channels. I disagree with making it so liberal.
When Pakistan was created, it was basically India. ALL THE LAWS WERE SECULAR. When people use the Muslim argument I just have to laugh.
Learn Pakistans history first
Original post by Trapz99
Your idea of Pakistan is basically the exact opposite of what Pakistan really is first and foremost- a Muslim country with strong traditional, conservative religious influences. I don't think even 1% of Pakistanis would agree that religion should be separated from church, or that homosexuality should be legal and definitely that alcohol should be legal. It's just not going to happen- it conflicts with everything that Pakistan is and what Pakistanis identify with.
When Pakistan was created it was a liberal and secular country.
Alcohol was legal, and it was criminalized by Zial Ul Haq ( that
) in the 70 or 80s.It was literally turned into a fundamentalist state over days.
You need to purge Islam from anywhere but the household.
You need to suck it up and make India your ally, China too. Keep your ties with the US and EU.
You need to embrace the market and abandon any socialist instincts you may have.
You need to take an extremely harsh line to corruption and law and order, execute any of your officials who allow terrorists to operate. Also arrest any sympathisers.
You need to suck it up and make India your ally, China too. Keep your ties with the US and EU.
You need to embrace the market and abandon any socialist instincts you may have.
You need to take an extremely harsh line to corruption and law and order, execute any of your officials who allow terrorists to operate. Also arrest any sympathisers.
Original post by King !
When Pakistan was created it was a liberal and secular country.
Alcohol was legal, and it was criminalized by Zial Ul Haq ( that ) in the 70 or 80s.
It was literally turned into a fundamentalist state over days.
Alcohol was legal, and it was criminalized by Zial Ul Haq ( that
) in the 70 or 80s.It was literally turned into a fundamentalist state over days.
It was forced to be liberal and secular- most Pakistanis didn't want to be in a secular state, they wanted to be governed by conservative Islamic principles. Even today, most of Pakistan would hate to be secular or liberal.
Original post by King !
Hi
Pakistan has been deteriorating over the years now. From corruption over the moon, to terrorism spreading over the country and minorities unprotected and helpless. However, my aim with this thread is to see what the Pakistani youth wishes to see Pakistan in the future. What is you vision for Pakistan? What kind of Pakistan do you want
My vision is...
1) A secular Pakistan. A Pakistan where there is a separation between state and religion, whether it be Islam, Christianity..Religious laws should be abolished and religious scholars should have no say whatsoever in Politics. Blasphemy Laws, or Punishment for apostasy should be outlawed, Pakistan should follow the model of countries like Turkey, Albania or Uzbekistan. Religious TV channels should be banned for spreading hate and intolerance ! And hate preachers should be jailed and have receive no media attention
2) A liberal Pakistan, A Pakistan where a women should be able to dress however without facing any kind of fatwas ( following from the first point ) or anger from the public. ( That anger should be used to address issues like poverty and corruption ). A Pakistan where no one should be judged or discriminated regardless of what race, religion , gender or sexual orientation he subscribes to.
3) A women friendly Pakistan ! Dont need to add anything to this because we all know what Pakistani women have to go through. Some have not got basic rights.
4) Representative democracy is not working for Pakistan. We need a secular liberal permanent leader like Bashar Al Assad ( before the Syrian War) or King Abdullah ( from Jordan ) or maybe how China works. A leader who can make fast and quick decision in the interest of his country. However he should be liberal and secular and not like Zial Hul Haq ( I am so happy he died in such a disgusting manner, he deserved it). The issue with representative democracy is that it takes too long to make decisions and often proposals are moulded and altered when they go through the parliamentary scrutiny, and thereby the initial effectiveness of the proposals is watered down. And nothing is done in Parliament, and we see that in Pakistan. Morever we can see the high amount of corruption that is perpetuated in Pakistan because of a system which is not meant to help Pakistan in the first place.
5)
Things I would make illegal and criminalize:
Religious Channels, Faith schools, Religious leaders in Politics, Religious political parties, Niqab/Burka under the age of 21, McDonalds,..any religious law..
Things I would make legal and decriminalize:
Alcohol, Weed, Homosexuality,...
Pakistan has been deteriorating over the years now. From corruption over the moon, to terrorism spreading over the country and minorities unprotected and helpless. However, my aim with this thread is to see what the Pakistani youth wishes to see Pakistan in the future. What is you vision for Pakistan? What kind of Pakistan do you want
My vision is...
1) A secular Pakistan. A Pakistan where there is a separation between state and religion, whether it be Islam, Christianity..Religious laws should be abolished and religious scholars should have no say whatsoever in Politics. Blasphemy Laws, or Punishment for apostasy should be outlawed, Pakistan should follow the model of countries like Turkey, Albania or Uzbekistan. Religious TV channels should be banned for spreading hate and intolerance ! And hate preachers should be jailed and have receive no media attention
2) A liberal Pakistan, A Pakistan where a women should be able to dress however without facing any kind of fatwas ( following from the first point ) or anger from the public. ( That anger should be used to address issues like poverty and corruption ). A Pakistan where no one should be judged or discriminated regardless of what race, religion , gender or sexual orientation he subscribes to.
3) A women friendly Pakistan ! Dont need to add anything to this because we all know what Pakistani women have to go through. Some have not got basic rights.
4) Representative democracy is not working for Pakistan. We need a secular liberal permanent leader like Bashar Al Assad ( before the Syrian War) or King Abdullah ( from Jordan ) or maybe how China works. A leader who can make fast and quick decision in the interest of his country. However he should be liberal and secular and not like Zial Hul Haq ( I am so happy he died in such a disgusting manner, he deserved it). The issue with representative democracy is that it takes too long to make decisions and often proposals are moulded and altered when they go through the parliamentary scrutiny, and thereby the initial effectiveness of the proposals is watered down. And nothing is done in Parliament, and we see that in Pakistan. Morever we can see the high amount of corruption that is perpetuated in Pakistan because of a system which is not meant to help Pakistan in the first place.
5)
Things I would make illegal and criminalize:
Religious Channels, Faith schools, Religious leaders in Politics, Religious political parties, Niqab/Burka under the age of 21, McDonalds,..any religious law..
Things I would make legal and decriminalize:
Alcohol, Weed, Homosexuality,...
You basically said all that I wanted to type in already
Original post by Trapz99
Your idea of Pakistan is basically the exact opposite of what Pakistan really is first and foremost- a Muslim country with strong traditional, conservative religious influences. I don't think even 1% of Pakistanis would agree that religion should be separated from church, or that homosexuality should be legal and definitely that alcohol should be legal. It's just not going to happen- it conflicts with everything that Pakistan is and what Pakistanis identify with.
How many times have you been to Pakistan? Homosexuality, Alcohol does exist in the biggest provience, and religion isn't that big in that provience either.
Original post by Trapz99
It was forced to be liberal and secular- most Pakistanis didn't want to be in a secular state, they wanted to be governed by conservative Islamic principles. Even today, most of Pakistan would hate to be secular or liberal.
That is not true. When Pakistan was created, most if not all people in Pakistan did not mind living under a secular state. If that was the case as you say then why did take 30 years for a country to turn into an Islamic state.
You are only saying that because you want to label as Muslims as fundamentalist.
Original post by BrokenLife
You basically said all that I wanted to type in already
You agree with making Pakistan a 'benevolent' dictatorship and banning religious political parties/TV channels and, most importantly, with banning McDonald's?
You disappoint me, BrokenLife.
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