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Will they steal the election from Trump?

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Original post by BeastOfSyracuse
Popularity? Do you even bother to look at polling? He's popular with one wing of the Republican Party. He's despised by all democrats and many Republicans, and disliked by moderate independents. His favourability ratings are substantially less than Hilary Clinton.

Just making moronic assertions that are not backed up by data or any actual experience of American politics doesn't move the debate forward, it simply makes you look like every other dilettante who thinks that following the presidential nominations for a couple of months actually means he has insight or something valuable to say on the subject.

He is the frontrunner in the Republican party...

Yes he is the most unfavourable candidate RN (and Hillary is the second), but I am willing to reserve this judgement until I see what he does in the general.
If Trump says liberal things (just like he has), and points out Hillary's corruption, I don't see why Independent and some Democrats won't turn to him. Yes, this is an assertion, and I admit that, but I'm not ruling him out purely based on polling data now (without considering the "pivot" effect that even Democrats do)

It's obvious he has no insight on anything on policy matters whatsoever. If he gets into office, he's just going to hire a bunch of "advisers" to do his dirty work for him... but I am not the average working class Republican Trump supporter. He says things that they want to hear, and that's enough for them.

Original post by BeastOfSyracuse
Trump is far less rich than he claims, and the wealth he does have is in assets, no cash in the bank. President Obama raised more than $1 billion in donations to fight the 2012 election. This cycle Clinton has already raised $110 million.


Trump has only raised $25 million, and in fact about that amount of money has been raised by conservative super-PACs whose sole purpose is to oppose Trump.

He'll go into the general with far less money than Clinton, with many Republicans extremely unenthused about him (and many of those most likely to support him don't even bother to vote in elections anyway). Against him he will face in Clinton a candidate with a lot of experience in presidential elections, who will be sitting on a $1 billion election warchest and leading an extremely fired-up Democratic Party which is determined to beat Trump. He'll be lucky to lose 45/55 to Clinton

Yet with his "far less money", he has managed to get as much outreach and more media coverage than anyone else...

It's refreshing to see "experienced Clinton" struggling against an "old, far-left, irrelevant socialist".

Original post by BeastOfSyracuse
Nah. Republican donors despise him, many of them whose business interests rely on international trade would rather let Hilary win. Many Republican donors who are interested in foreign policy issues are loathe to see Trump ruin the United States' foreign policy and relations. Moderate Republicans would rather Hilary win.


They despise him because he's unpredictable. He could take US foreign policy even further, or stop it altogether. If Trump is shown to not be unpredictable, and in fact completely in line with the interests of donors, then I don't see why they wouldn't consider backing him. But if Trump stays like this extreme being, then yes he will be ousted.

But let's not forget Trump's own business rely on "international trade"...

I have no doubt that the RNC will try to nominate "a better candidate" and block Trump at the convention. But that alone doesn't mean Trump isn't "electable"
Original post by Josb
How can he win if these groups were against him?


Exactly. He can't win, so the Republicans probably won't nominate him, because they want someone who can actually win.
Original post by anosmianAcrimony
Exactly. He can't win, so the Republicans probably won't nominate him, because they want someone who can actually win.


The RNC doesn't want to nominate him anyway... regardless of whether he "can win or not".
That doesn't mean the RNC has a choice if he gets the required number of delegates

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Original post by Jebedee
No it isn't broken, democracy exists to be fair not to give you what you want all of the time. If you think right-wingers don't deserve representation then maybe you should advocate for exemption of tax for us.


But it isn't fair because, frankly, most of the people voting are too utterly stupid to decide what's best for themselves and their country.
Original post by JordanL_
But it isn't fair because, frankly, most of the people voting are too utterly stupid to decide what's best for themselves and their country.


Yes but left-wingers also pay tax that's why we give them the vote. Go live in Sweden if you want to be raped by migrants.
Original post by Jebedee
Yes but left-wingers also pay tax that's why we give them the vote. Go live in Sweden if you want to be raped by migrants.


Yep, because rape never happened before migrants came to Sweden.

And the German economy was great before the Jews came.
Original post by PleaseListen


The majority of republican voters want him as President


No, they don't. Trump has not won a majority of the vote in any state yet. He has won just 37% of the overall Republican vote so far.

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Original post by JordanL_
Yep, because rape never happened before migrants came to Sweden.

And the German economy was great before the Jews came.


Rape did not happen nearly to the extent than after the migrants arrived. We both know that to be true so drop the phony act.
Original post by Jebedee
Rape did not happen nearly to the extent than after the migrants arrived. We both know that to be true so drop the phony act.


Do you actually have any statistics to back this up?
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Original post by anosmianAcrimony
The man has alienated the latinos, the blacks, the Mormons, the gays, the women, and the list goes on. He has stolen the election from himself, if anything. If the other Republicans don't want him nominated as Republican presidential candidate, I can completely understand that - they want a candidate that stands a chance of winning.


how exactly?be specific(especially regarding the mormons one)
Original post by P357
how exactly?be specific(especially regarding the mormons one)


It is common knowledge that the man is racist, and blacks do not like that. He's obviously a sexist, based on his many sexist remarks - he seems to go out of his way to insult women. Finally, Mormons believe very strongly in religious freedom. Based on the way Trump treats Muslims, the Mormons have decided almost monolithically not to vote for him.
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Original post by anosmianAcrimony
It is common knowledge that the man is racist, and blacks do not like that. He's obviously a sexist, based on his many sexist remarks - he seems to go out of his way to insult women. Finally, Mormons believe very strongly in religious freedom. Based on the way Trump treats Muslims, the Mormons have decided almost monolithically not to vote for him.


Debatable but alright, i can see how you'd think that if you lean left socially.
But what's that about mormons? Trump isn't ranking poorly in utah last i checked...? Can you maybe provide evidence of some official statement straight out of salt lake that urges the lds to shun him?
Original post by JordanL_
Do you actually have any statistics to back this up?


Depends, if I show you stats which show a sharp increase in rape which coincide with the time scale of mass immigration. Are you then going to counter claim that I can't prove that immigrants are the cause and it could be a national conspiracy to frame immigrants?

Or if I show you stats with immigrants making up a disproportionately large proportion of prison inmates will you then counter claim that is evidence of systemic racism?

There's plenty of left wing blags to explain away uncomfortable stats, so either you can use common sense and realise that Sweden just didn't happen to decide by itself to go from near the lowest to the highest country for rape or not waste time with excuses.
Original post by ivybridge
Bernie is not electable as President. He's great but he would never win in America.

This is an interesting view, and seems to be commonly held. But how do you explain Sanders doing much better than Hillary with independents and in all hypothetical general election voting?
Original post by balanced
He's known for gaining huge support for saying what he wants, if that's not electable I don't know what is.


Having said that, he hasn't won more than 50% of the vote in a state yet
Original post by Alex from almanis
This is an interesting view, and seems to be commonly held. But how do you explain Sanders doing much better than Hillary with independents and in all hypothetical general election voting?


My point is he would lose to Trump and because he does well with two groups doesn't mean he's the most electable candidate for the Democrats. Think about it. The Republicans who don't want Trump are likely to compromise for Clinton but would never go for someone as far left as Bernie.
Original post by BeastOfSyracuse



Trump is far less rich than he claims, and the wealth he does have is in assets, no cash in the bank. President Obama raised more than $1 billion in donations to fight the 2012 election. This cycle Clinton has already raised $110 million.

Trump has only raised $25 million, and in fact about that amount of money has been raised by conservative super-PACs whose sole purpose is to oppose Trump.

He'll go into the general with far less money than Clinton, with many Republicans extremely unenthused about him (and many of those most likely to support him don't even bother to vote in elections anyway). Against him he will face in Clinton a candidate with a lot of experience in presidential elections, who will be sitting on a $1 billion election warchest and leading an extremely fired-up Democratic Party which is determined to beat Trump. He'll be lucky to lose 45/55 to Clinton


Having said that, statistics have been bandied about that so far in his campaign Trump has had nearly 2 billion dollars' worth of free coverage in the news, so he hasn't needed to advertise as much due to his high name recognition etc.
Original post by ivybridge
My point is he would lose to Trump and because he does well with two groups doesn't mean he's the most electable candidate for the Democrats. Think about it. The Republicans who don't want Trump are likely to compromise for Clinton but would never go for someone as far left as Bernie.

But this doesn't explain why he is winning hypothetical matchup polls? He doesn't have to win disenfranchised Republicans if he wins enough of the other demographics. Those voters are likely to just stay home in that scenario
Original post by P357
Debatable but alright, i can see how you'd think that if you lean left socially.
But what's that about mormons? Trump isn't ranking poorly in utah last i checked...? Can you maybe provide evidence of some official statement straight out of salt lake that urges the lds to shun him?

He won 14% of the vote and came in last there and there is speculation that the state could go blue for the first time in half a century if he is the Republican nominee: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/03/us/politics/donald-trump-general-election.html?_r=0
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Original post by ivybridge
My point is he would lose to Trump and because he does well with two groups doesn't mean he's the most electable candidate for the Democrats. Think about it. The Republicans who don't want Trump are likely to compromise for Clinton but would never go for someone as far left as Bernie.


Polling has shown Sanders overwhelmingly beating Trump. Indeed, the gap between Trump and Sanders is the widest of any potential matchup between any of the current Dem and GOP candidates.

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