Why do people think Muslim's don't do enough against ISIS?

"The Islamic world has done next to nothing to stop their rise"

What ignorant BS. I mean, Muslims are only dying fighting them in Syria. -_-

Islam has moved on,.

really? in what way

again i made the point to you before that many of the muslims fighting is are either shias or yazedi christians - the question is not whether muslims are fighting IS ( syrian ones are simply to defend their own homeland from sunnis)
the question is what the wider islamic world is doing to tackle their ideology and prominence in their societies. there are major islamist groups in every siginificant muslim population on the planet - why is that do you think

Oh I don't know... maybe the fact that there are 1.5 billion Muslims who evidently don't act word-to-word on the Quran's teachings

You said the Islamic world has done next to nothing to tackle the rise of ISIS.

Don't wriggle out of this one

if there are 1.5 billion muslims that dont accept word for word the quran, then they arnt muslims. youll have to revise down your figures



i said , and i quote-- "you cant mention ISIS in isolation, islamic state is one and latest of perhaps hundreds of nasty islamist organisations over the years. and no, the islamic world has done next to nothing to stop their rise"

Meanwhile there are millions of Christians, Hindus, Jews, etc.. who all don't follow their holy scriptures word-for-word.

It isn't a binary decision between "atheist" and "Muslim", its a continuous spectrum.

And evidently the Islamic world has and is doing stuff to prevent their rise.

once again stepping into the realms of irrelevancy when your claims hit a brick wall. the millions of other people in other faiths arnt the problem here behind islamic fundamentalism are they.
we are talking about what the islamic world are/arnt ding to deal with their own problem
not enough evidentally

The Islamic World are sending soldiers to fight against ISIS, just last week the Islamic world recovered Palmyra from them.

-_-

Are you seriously denying that the Koran contains passages where the Moslems were commanded to kill unbelievers?

Nope, but what I am saying is that those specific commands are only for specific situations. Hence, they revealed in response to an event.

Likewise.



"(And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess" [4:24]. Muhammad ibn "Abd al-Rahman al-Bunani informed us> Muhammad ibn Ahmad ibn Hamdan> Abu Ya"la> "Amr al-Naqid> Abu Ahmad al-Zubayri> Sufyan> "Uthman al-Batti> Abu"l-Khalil> Abu Sa"id al-Khudri who said: "We had captured female prisoners of war on the day of Awtas and because they were already married we disliked having any physical relationship with them. Then we asked the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, about them. And the verse (And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess) was then revealed, as a result of which we consider it lawful to have a physical relationship with them". Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Ahmad ibn al-Harith informed us> "Abd Allah ibn Muhammad ibn Ja"far> Abu Yahya> Sahl ibn "Uthman> "Abd al-Rahim> Ash"ath ibn Sawwar> "Uthman al-Batti> Abu"l-Khalil> Abu Sa"id who said: "When the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, captured the people of Awtas as prisoners of war we said: "O Prophet of Allah! How can we possibly have physical relationships with women whose lineage and husband we know very well?" And so this verse was revealed (And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess)". Abu Bakr Muhammad ibn Ibrahim al-Farisi informed us> Muhammad ibn "Isa ibn "Amrawayh> Ibrahim ibn Muhammad ibn Sufyan> Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj> "Ubayd Allah ibn "Umar al-Qawariri> Yazid ibn Zuray"> Sa"id ibn Abi "Arubah> Qatadah> Abu Salih Abu Khalil> Abu "Alqamah al-Hashimi> Abu Sa"id al-Khudri who reported that on the day of Hunayn the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, sent an army to Awtas. This army met the enemy in a battle, defeated them and captured many female prisoners from them. But some of the Companions of the Messenger, Allah bless him and give him peace, were uncomfortable about having physical relations with these prisoners because they had husbands who were idolaters, and so Allah, exalted is He, revealed about this (And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess)."

http://quranx.com/tafsir/Wahidi/4.24

"Verse 4.24 And, forbidden to you are, wedded women, those with spouses, that you should marry them before they have left their spouses, be they Muslim free women or not; save what your right hands own, of captured [slave] girls, whom you may have sexual intercourse with, even if they should have spouses among the enemy camp, but only after they have been absolved of the possibility of pregnancy [after the completion of one menstrual cycle]; this is what God has prescribed for you (kitāba is in the accusative because it is the verbal noun). Lawful for you (read passive wa-uhilla, or active wa-ahalla), beyond all that, that is, except what He has forbidden you of women, is that you seek, women, using your wealth, by way of a dowry or a price, in wedlock and not, fornicating, in illicitly. Such wives as you enjoy thereby, and have had sexual intercourse with, give them their wages, the dowries that you have assigned them, as an obligation; you are not at fault in agreeing together, you and they, after the obligation, is waived, decreased or increased. God is ever Knowing, of His creatures, Wise, in what He has ordained for them."
http://quranx.com/tafsir/Jalal/4.24

"(Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess.) The Ayah means, you are prohibited from marrying women who are already married,(except those whom your right hands possess) except those whom you acquire through war, for you are allowed such women after making sure they are not pregnant. Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri said, "We captured some women from the area of Awtas who were already married, and we disliked having sexual relations with them because they already had husbands. So, we asked the Prophet about this matter, and this Ayah was revealed "(Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess). Consequently, we had sexual relations with these women.''"

http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=684&Itemid=59

A 'divine' nad 'perfect' book of 'objective' morality which permits men to rape - oooops I mean 'have sex with' - married women whom they've captured in war. How disgustingly horrible, vile and sick.

Then you do agree that the Koran contains instructions to commit violence against non-believers? You are just arguing that those verses were restricted to individual situations?

I am proclaiming that the Quran does contain verses that were aimed at the Prophet informing him what to do, at the time of war. I am also saying that, to know who a non-believer is, and when to implement such a verse cannot be done by us simply.

When you said 'likewise', that's not my opinion, that was used to justify the point that I was trying to make. The fact that morality is deemed by yourself as subjective, therefore means that I shouldn't care about your opinion about my morality and likewise.

Isn't a coincidence that every single reference you made, every scholar that you linked to, are all from 1 sect of Islam. This is just getting stupid now, frankly I have seen this occur far too many times for it to be simply a 'coincidence'. In fact, there's not much point of my even replying if you cannot grasp the simple notion of sects =/= a religion.

'How disgustingly horrible, vile and sick'.

Nope, but what I am saying is that those specific commands are only for specific situations. Hence, they revealed in response to an event.

Majority of Muslims don't agree with ISIS