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When will the government address Islamophobia?

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I will announce it to everyone on this topic. I have been placed on the anti-islam list, compiled by the OP
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Would just like to say that I have attempted to speak to the original OP, who seems to be sending out visitor messages accusing of some islamaphobia list to be released- I wouldn't worry, as if it is negative etc, it will be stopped; especially as TSR don't like people going around making highly factually incorrect statements which could be classed as slander.
Original post by adam9317
Would just like to say that I have attempted to speak to the original OP, who seems to be sending out visitor messages accusing of some islamaphobia list to be released- I wouldn't worry, as if it is negative etc, it will be stopped; especially as TSR don't like people going around making highly factually incorrect statements which could be classed as slander.


Who cares if some div makes list


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Original post by balanced
What about jews? They are being threatened by Muslims across Europe, yet no government will address the problem.


According to polling, Islamophobia in Western Europe dwarfs anti-Semitism. For example, YouGov did a series of polls last year (before the attacks in Paris and Brussels) in Britain, France, Germany, and the Scandinavian countries about whether people had a "negative view" of certain groups, including Muslims and Jews. In all cases, around 40% were admitting negative views of Muslims, but the number admitting negative views of Jews never exceeded 10%. OK, some people could be lying, but even if they are it would still demonstrate the difference in public acceptability of differing prejudices.
Original post by anarchism101
According to polling, Islamophobia in Western Europe dwarfs anti-Semitism. For example, YouGov did a series of polls last year (before the attacks in Paris and Brussels) in Britain, France, Germany, and the Scandinavian countries about whether people had a "negative view" of certain groups, including Muslims and Jews. In all cases, around 40% were admitting negative views of Muslims, but the number admitting negative views of Jews never exceeded 10%. OK, some people could be lying, but even if they are it would still demonstrate the difference in public acceptability of differing prejudices.


And who was the most derided group, can you remind me?
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/12/14/prejudice-data/
Original post by balanced
And who was the most derided group, can you remind me?


In the poll I was referring to, the most disliked group was Roma.
Original post by Drunken Bard
How would you propose to "Address" Islamophobia.

It isn't illegal to criticise religion.


Discrimination is illegal. Islamophobia is not when people criticises the religion, it is when people are prejudice towards Islam or Muslims.
It's not Islamaphobia that needs addressing, it's left wingness.A peace march in Belgium was cancelled over fears ISIS could use it to launch another attack on Brussels. Belgium security forces decided a March Against Fear, however topical, would be ill-advised because the fear is grounded in truth, and marching isn't going to make it go away. This is a bit like the people who say they are standing up to terror by continuing to use the underground. They are not actually standing up to anything. There is no real show of defiance. Everyone is scared to death. In truth, they are gambling on the old adage lightening never strikes the same spot twice. Or for a more modern twist, suicide bombers never target the same subway twice in a week. But if you live in jihadi central, that's a pretty risky bet to place.

In place of the March Against Fear, a few pro-migrant groups turned up at the Old Stock Exchange in Brussels to watch mourners light candles for the dead, and shove a bit more leftie clap-trap down their throats, reminding them that irregular migrants are good people at heart and the last suicide bombers were actually home-grown, so not technically migrants at all. So that's ok then.In response, a group of anti-immigration protestors gathered at the Place de la Bourse to unfurl an anti-ISIS banner and vent their frustration at the direction in which the self-styled capital of Europe appears to be heading. As far as I can tell, the March Against Fear was cancelled because there was too much fear, and a riot broke out because the police objected to a peaceful protest.

There are a few things I notice around these incidents in Europe;

Firstly, the anti-immigration protesters are always referred to as thugs. The language around them is universally ugly, despite the fact they are protesting against the very people who think it is acceptable to detonate themselves next to small babies wearing suicide vests filled with nails and shrapnel.

They are called the far-right despite and lazy associations are made between them and Hitler. Even though in the UK it appears to be Labour supporters who have issues with Jews.

Clearly Nazi salutes have no place in modern Europe. No one wants to see violence against the police, stones thrown or graffiti. But if you look carefully, trouble-making groups on the left such as No Borders build a far more subversive brand of trouble.

The dreadlocked gangs of migrant-lovers, turning a blind eye to the destruction of Europe, are never referred to as the far-left. They are affectionately called anarchists, as if they are teenage boys, experimenting with Death Metal and living raw vegan.

Despite absolutely no police response to terrorists (Turkey even warned the Belgium Intelligence Services about three suicide bombers who went on to attack the city) or marauding migrants (see Cologne - New Year's Eve) their rapid reaction to the presence of a handful of Pegida is overwhelming.

In Cologne, 150 officers were sent to police the migrant attacks on women on New Years Eve, resulting in 676 criminal complaints being filed. In comparison, 1700 riot police with water cannon were sent to stop a subsequent Pegida march through the city.

Whilst it seems perfectly acceptable to turn the water cannon on nationals, determined to stand up for their country and culture, it is never acceptable to criticise migrants, terrorists or extremists planning attacks. It seems to me there is a yawning gulf between the treatment and reporting of the far-left and the far-right, and and even bigger chasm between nationals and migrant populations, who lack respect for the culture they have joined. The left are so busy kowtowing to the rights of those who have chosen to join our culture, the right has lost the freedom to defend the culture they have chosen to join.

The police have an almost magnetic attraction to events which offer predictable policing - such as a Pegida March through a city centre, but are incapable of defending people from the actual threat of terror we all feel. Whilst we sit waiting for our next 7/7, the Metropolitan Police were arresting a man for a tweet, accidentally charging him to appear in court, before sheepishly letting him go. Vanity policing is the last thing out country needs. People talk about the rise of the far-right. I fear the dominance of the smug, self-centred left led by yoghurt knitting pillocks like Emma Thompson and Michael Sheen is far more threatening and far more real.

Source: Katie Hopkins, writing in The Daily Mail 2016
Original post by Donald J Trump
Bang on- A lot of them love the sound of England and then despise it. Just the other day i heard two muslims on the bus speaking about how great Pakistan is compared to England - if they love Pakistan so much why didn't they stay there, and if anyone says for economical reasons and getting a job a lot of muslim women come here to fleece our welfare (ones over the age of 50)


Can u not love a different country, other than ur own?
Original post by TheMoreYouKnow
Discrimination is illegal. Islamophobia is not when people criticises the religion, it is when people are prejudice towards Islam or Muslims.


How can you be so stupid?
You are arguing against yourself here, saying Islamaphobia is not about people who criticise Islam and then go on to say " it is when people are prejudice towards Islam".

So, what is the difference between criticising Islam, and being prejudice against Islam? This is not at all to do with Muslims, so don't go down that path.
What you have said here is completely stupid and reminiscent of a totalitarian regime, you can criticise a religon.
why are muslims owed special protections and defences when their own identity is basically bad beliefs and bad cultural values? I'm sorry but if you come here/exist here and you believe basically in homophobia (look it up - a shocking % of UK muslims are homophobic, literally one poll even said 100%) and to some extent misogyny, then why should a state defend you? why shouldn't a state defend gay people instead whom would (possibly) be put to death under that other groups religion (like in iran, in 2016)? muslims aren't a race, muslims, objectively are an ideological group that happens to usually be of some kind of ethnicity as a matter of coincidence. nazis happened to be white, but if they went to a predominantly black "liberal democracy" like south africa or jamaica, should they be defended for their homophobia and anti-semitism just because they're of a different race (basically the basis of defending islam in the UK)? would somebody really saying "why isn't the south african or jamaican government defending nazis?" given the beliefs of nazis? I mean, I know there aren't many jews in those two predominantly black nations but surely they should be more concerned with the jews and not the nazis, just like this society should defend the gays over the muslims?! it's quite unfortunate that muslims are hugely more likely to be antisemitic too, that's just a coincidence though, I promise

"ehh meh gehd you're comparing muslims to nazis" - well if the shoe fits, darling? what have I said that was untrue?
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Original post by Oliver_94
Islam and it's followers are being attacked all the time yet the government ignores this, will anyone actually address this threat we all face?


In what form are they being attacked?
Original post by Sequin Rugby
Islamophobia is a made-up word.


Exactly. A phobia is an irrational fear of something that results in panic like symptoms, such as hyperventilation, breathlessness, sweating, dizziness, depersonalisation, feeling your going insane etc.
I very much doubt Islam makes people feel like that.

So there is no such a thing as Islamophobia, anti-Islamism yes, but Islamophobia no.
I'm interested in everyone's opinions surrounding islamophobia (whether you are personally islamophobic or not) which occurs on social media, if anyone would be willing to answer a few online questions for my research I would be grateful:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/12GCj8ZXFbylyFX50UKaqK29L7dQVfltFrRg-1UgG6KQ/viewform

Ps all answers are anonymous and confidential and will only be used for the purposes of my dissertation.
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Islamophobia is not a real thing. Anti-Muslim bigotry however is. Being worried about a set of violent doctrines is not some sort of 'phobia' or mental illness.
Original post by Sequin Rugby
Islamophobia is a made-up word.


Every word is made-up. But it is a word.

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