We DO NOT NEED to eat MEAT

I don't think that's true. There's generally enough food produced on earth for everyone to eat their fill, the problem is more related to the economic systems and the distribution of food. They are structural economic issues, not production-related.

For example, there is absolutely enough food produced in East Asia (and even enough just on the Korean peninsula) that the North Koreans needn't have suffered the terrible famine of the 1990s (the Arduous March, as they call it). The problem was structural and economic; the failings of their communist government not because too many people eat meat.

Whatever the source of the problem, producing more, cheaper food can only allow more people to eat. That there is already enough food produced to feed everyone is irrelevant in my eyes; if people are still starving, we are clearly not producing enough food.

Except that if we are producing enough food now and structural economic reasons prevent those who need it most from getting it, there's no guarantee our ceasing to eat meat will produce the desired result rather than ending up in the same situation

You say it's immoral to eat meat.

Is it immoral for the lion to eat the gazelle? That is their natural food. Just as for human creatures meat is part of a balanced diet.

You forget that humans, while substantively superior to the animal kingdom in intelligence and technological accomplishment, are still a part of it and we should still have rights to live according to our ancient (evolutionary) culinary customs.

Of course I believe we should do everything possible to be kind to the animals, never to make them suffer. They should have a good life while they live on our farms, and be treated with respect. And when the technology for vat-grown meat advances to the point where a succulent and tasty fillet steak can be grown in a lab and that it is indistinguishable in quality from the real thing, of course I would favour doing that rather than producing it from living beings.

Which raises the question; why have vegos I've spoken to said they oppose vat grown meat? It is completely illogical and suggests their vegetarianism comes from something deeper and more psychologically-based than simple concern for the animals. I suspect many of them harbour a deep disdain for human beings and are disgusted by us enjoying consumption of flesh. Opposition to consumption of meat is just one manifestation of their hatred for human civilisation and their viewing us as an infestation on the planet. They have malthusian, misanthropic views and they'd really rather we weren't here at all

Stopping eating meat may even ease those economic conditions. Some countries, for example, use too much of their land for meat production which they then export to affluent nations, which they find more profitable than farming vegetables to feed their own populace. Reducing meat demand will reduce that trend.

3) A campaign of persuasion will never work. I mean never. As a vegetarian, you cannot understand how difficult it is to give up meat. Its not like 'oh we can survive without meat and its better for the world' because it isnt. You can ask any of your friends or something but i wouldnt event consider not eating meat. And i am actually a Hindu!

You say it's immoral to eat meat.

Is it immoral for the lion to eat the gazelle? That is their natural food. Just as for human creatures meat is part of a balanced diet.

You forget that humans, while substantively superior to the animal kingdom in intelligence and technological accomplishment, are still a part of it and we should still have rights to live according to our ancient (evolutionary) culinary customs.

Of course I believe we should do everything possible to be kind to the animals, never to make them suffer. They should have a good life while they live on our farms, and be treated with respect. And when the technology for vat-grown meat advances to the point where a succulent and tasty fillet steak can be grown in a lab and that it is indistinguishable in quality from the real thing, of course I would favour doing that rather than producing it from living beings.

Which raises the question; why have vegos I've spoken to said they oppose vat grown meat? It is completely illogical and suggests their vegetarianism comes from something deeper and more psychologically-based than simple concern for the animals. I suspect many of them harbour a deep disdain for human beings and are disgusted by us enjoying consumption of flesh. Opposition to consumption of meat is just one manifestation of their hatred for human civilisation and their viewing us as an infestation on the planet. They have malthusian, misanthropic views and they'd really rather we weren't here at all