Do you think a woman who has killed a foetus could ever be a good mother?

I do, but I'm not happy about it. I try to avoid where reasonable.

No, what you are doing is finding something to point out to show hypocrisy. Examining my dietary and product choices is not picking apart my argument, it's picking apart my lifestyle which has no baring the morality of actions. I could for example, go around kicking babies, this doesn't make doing so any less moral.

I view unborn humans similarly to born animals of similar complexity, and consider killing living things immoral. What I, or anyone else does as far as killing things goes is irrelevant to the morality of those actions, nobody leads a flawlessly moral life, and everyone chooses immoral actions for selfish reasons.

I assume by 'where reasonable' you mean that you just don't eat meat or wear leather?

Ies people make mistakes and commit acts they perceive as immoral but when you consistently do something that you claim is immoral you need revaluate your morality.

Essentially, yes.

I would argue you that you need to reevaluate your actions, not your morality.

This reasoning does not follow.

I am not making the claim that abortion <=> bad character. I am saying that there is an argument for why someone might think they are linked. Your counter example doesn't refute this, nor have you given any counter arguments.

Again, just because someone will never be put in said situation does not mean that it is not relevant to them. For example I am sure you agree that it is wrong for me to murder someone. However, you will never be me so you will never experience what it is like precisely for me to murder someone. Surely you think that you can still make moral judgements towards me?

For an even more extreme example: Suppose a woman raped a guy for the purpose of becoming pregnant, and then had an abortion without asking them, do you not think there is something wrong here?

this is just completely illogical and there are no legitimate arguments in here, why are you starting to talk about murder and making stupid examples, educate yourself fam

its not real your business if a woman has had an abortion, and it doesn't make you a bad mother if you have had an abortion previously? it's a foetus not a baby.

I don't think anybody would ever try to justify it if a parent killed their own newborn baby, whatever the reason might be. All the usual arguments in favour of abortion would clearly fail if it were a newborn baby in question, and nobody would hesitate to declare that anyone who kills their own newborn baby is a terrible parent and certainly not someone you'd ever want to have kids with.

So all defence of killing an unborn child rests entirely on this one assumption you've made: "It's a foetus, not a baby", i.e. it only gains the right to continued life when it becomes a baby (after it is born), rather than when it is still a foetus (before it is born). All other arguments are really irrelevant; whether or not abortion ought to be acceptable swings entirely on this point.

However the problem with this point is that it's totally subjective. Perhaps according to you, a foetus only gains the right to live after birth. But drawing the line at birth is arbitrary; it could just as reasonably be drawn at conception, or at the point of gaining consciousness, or at the point of a 50% chance of viability, or even any time after birth. It certainly doesn't help that entire scientific and philosophical communities have failed to come to come to a consensus on the matter. So this doesn't really seem like a very substantial foundation for something as serious as a decision to kill.

its not real your business if a woman has had an abortion, and it doesn't make you a bad mother if you have had an abortion previously? it's a foetus not a baby.

Fetuses are living things...they will surely become babies. Have you ever killed fetuses?

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So a woman should have the right to kill her child? That's not barbaric at all.

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Yes but they aren't babies yet, they may be living organisms but so are plants? I don't think a foetus that cannot take care of itself and needs the mother to live is more important then the mother carrying it, I think it should be the mothers choice, her body, her rights. And no I haven't killed a foetus, I just believe that every woman has the rights to her own body. Why should someone have to have a baby if they don't want to, it can be dangerous carrying a foetus and it should be the mothers decision to carry it or not.

A fetus will definitely become a baby. It's a lot different from plants. It's created by human beings. Plants can't make a baby. Yeah, a mother has the right to make a choice. But what about a father and a fetus? They have no right to make any choice?

Only a mother can make a choice? That's quite fair? A fetus has no right to survive? A fetus has no right to its own life? It's just a very tiny & weak living being so people shouldn't care about it?

It's fetus's fault? Fetuses are very dangerous living things? So killing them is the best choice?

Would you be happy to be killed if you were a fetus?


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Its the mother who has to carry the baby for 9 months, and it can be dangerous to carry a foetus every pregnant mother has a risk of dying, it's less common but there is still a risk, do you're research. I'm sorry if I put a grown woman's needs and choice above something that cannot even live without the mother. I'm not saying we should kill all foetus' obviously I don't think that? I'm saying if a woman doesn't want to carry her child she shouldn't have to, hopefully she would think carefully about that decision and consider all options but if abortion is the best option she should do that. The father if he's in the picture would hopefully support the mother in her decision, but rarely I suppose he would disagree, but at the end of the day I would still support the mothers decision as she's the one who carries the baby.
If I was a foetus and my mother did not want to carry me, because she couldn't afford to take care of me, or she was raped and doesn't want a baby, whatever reason, I wouldn't want my mother to be forced to have me at all, not like a foetus could think that anyways because its a foetus not a functioning human.
Answer this question would you rather the mother have an abortion, or keep the baby but die during labour? Also who's more important a grown woman or a foetus?

1. Why the mother die during labor?

2. A grown woman was a fetus. A fetus will surely become a grownup. So fetuses are as important as grownups.

Is there any way to tell if a woman has had an abortion in case she lies about it?

Any woman who would be for it in any way would be removed of my list of potential partners. #1 turn off for sure. Utterly barbaric, killing your own potential child.

1. Why the mother die during labor?

2. A grown woman was a fetus. A fetus will surely become a grownup. So fetuses are as important as grownups.