The March of the Far Right in Europe
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I hope you TSR fascists are happy now!
This makes me ashamed to be European
This makes me ashamed to be European
You can't really lump UKIP as "far right". (disclaimer - I'm not a UKIP voter)
But yeah the rise of fringe parties are never really a positive whether they're on the far left or far right.
But yeah the rise of fringe parties are never really a positive whether they're on the far left or far right.
(edited 8 years ago)
Original post by Mathemagicien
A lot of these parties (or at least, the ones in Northern and Western Europe) are roughly as 'far right' as UKIP, if you look at their policies. Its just fashionable to call anti mass immigration parties far right atm.
I'd class parties/organisations like the BNP, EDL etc as far right.
Obviously everyone will have different opinions but are UKIP actually any further to the right than Thatcher was in the 1980s?
Golden Dawn are full-on fascists, so it's a bit disingenuous to group them with UKIP.
This rise reflects the failure of moderate establishment countries to adequately tackle economic woes, the migration crisis and various other issues. The Front National in France for example tend to identify the right issues but fail to find the right solutions. Given the inidstinguishable failures of both the socialists and the former UMP, people will turn to fringe parties.
Whilst the prospect of a far-right rise is indeed very disturbing, it might be the kick up the backside the established parties need to address these issues head on rather than shying away from them and pretending they don't exist. Economically Greece is still in big trouble, and culturally Sweden already looks like a lost cause.
Funnily enough, your TSR name is also a big contributor to this rise. It's almost as though people don't like to be called racist for not embracing the norms of backwards cultures in the name of multiculturalism.
It's not "TSR fasicsts" who are to blame for this. It's naive moralising leaders who could not see the obvious flaw in grouping clashing cultures together in the same country.
This rise reflects the failure of moderate establishment countries to adequately tackle economic woes, the migration crisis and various other issues. The Front National in France for example tend to identify the right issues but fail to find the right solutions. Given the inidstinguishable failures of both the socialists and the former UMP, people will turn to fringe parties.
Whilst the prospect of a far-right rise is indeed very disturbing, it might be the kick up the backside the established parties need to address these issues head on rather than shying away from them and pretending they don't exist. Economically Greece is still in big trouble, and culturally Sweden already looks like a lost cause.
Original post by Multiculturalism
I hope you TSR fascists are happy now!This makes me ashamed to be European
Funnily enough, your TSR name is also a big contributor to this rise. It's almost as though people don't like to be called racist for not embracing the norms of backwards cultures in the name of multiculturalism.
It's not "TSR fasicsts" who are to blame for this. It's naive moralising leaders who could not see the obvious flaw in grouping clashing cultures together in the same country.
The thing is though that UKIP have some pretty reasonable points and are not very far right.
But the thing is that scaremongering and it being pretty hip to hate Ukip was a big problem for them
But the thing is that scaremongering and it being pretty hip to hate Ukip was a big problem for them
Original post by Mathemagicien
BNP, EDL belong in roughly the same set as Golden Dawn and Jobbik
I don't know enough about Thatcher, but I don't hear people talking about Front National (or any other 'far right' party) as left wing due to their economic views, so I don't think economic policies have any bearing these days on whether you are far right or not.
I don't know enough about Thatcher, but I don't hear people talking about Front National (or any other 'far right' party) as left wing due to their economic views, so I don't think economic policies have any bearing these days on whether you are far right or not.
Personally I find economic policies are the most important factor in determining whether a party is left or right but yeah they're not the be all & end all.
I certainly think you could argue UKIP appeals to certain far right voters due to its tighter immigration policies but they don't want to stop migration completely.
Plenty of the European far right groups are borderline fascist & are fairly willing to promote violence which I'd say the BNP/EDL would be more in favour of far more than UKIP.
Original post by Tempest II
You can't really lump UKIP as "far right". (disclaimer - I'm not a UKIP voter)
But yeah the rise of fringe parties are never really a positive whether they're on the far left or far right.
But yeah the rise of fringe parties are never really a positive whether they're on the far left or far right.
Read these racist quotes by UKIP:
http://leftfootforward.org/2015/02/is-ukip-a-racist-party-these-15-comments-would-suggest-so/
And this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/news/ukip-racist/
Then tell me its not racist
Original post by Multiculturalism
Read these racist quotes by UKIP:
http://leftfootforward.org/2015/02/is-ukip-a-racist-party-these-15-comments-would-suggest-so/
And this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/news/ukip-racist/
Then tell me its not racist
Read these racist quotes by UKIP:
http://leftfootforward.org/2015/02/is-ukip-a-racist-party-these-15-comments-would-suggest-so/
And this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/news/ukip-racist/
Then tell me its not racist
There's certainly some muppets out there but does the views of a minority overwhelm the majority?
It wouldn't be hard to find comments made by Tory & even Labour members that could be classed as offensive TBH.
I imagine far right BNP types latch onto UKIP but UKIP itself isn't a far right party in the fascist sense of then word.
Original post by Tempest II
I'd class parties/organisations like the BNP, EDL etc as far right.
Obviously everyone will have different opinions but are UKIP actually any further to the right than Thatcher was in the 1980s?
Obviously everyone will have different opinions but are UKIP actually any further to the right than Thatcher was in the 1980s?
The BNP barely exists anymore. It's now down to a few hundred members.
Its because there is growing dislike for current immigration policies, and the far right are the only ones offering anything.
The new left is too busy focusing on being socially progessive, they are no longer representing for workers rights.
When workers are called lazy racists for wanting to protect their job, they will naturally gravitate towards movements that support them.
The new left is too busy focusing on being socially progessive, they are no longer representing for workers rights.
When workers are called lazy racists for wanting to protect their job, they will naturally gravitate towards movements that support them.
There is no such thing as the big bad 'far right'. They're defending their nation against disgusting social engineering policys designed to **** them over.
The Left is the biggest racial extremist out there. They created this mess now they're attacking the victims of their depraved, deplorable racial agenda.
They don't want us to defend ourselves which is why they use far right, racist bla bla bla. Was it Far-Right when we bombed Germany hmmm? two can play that game.
The Left is the biggest racial extremist out there. They created this mess now they're attacking the victims of their depraved, deplorable racial agenda.
They don't want us to defend ourselves which is why they use far right, racist bla bla bla. Was it Far-Right when we bombed Germany hmmm? two can play that game.
Original post by tengentoppa
Golden Dawn are full-on fascists, so it's a bit disingenuous to group them with UKIP.
This rise reflects the failure of moderate establishment countries to adequately tackle economic woes, the migration crisis and various other issues. The Front National in France for example tend to identify the right issues but fail to find the right solutions. Given the inidstinguishable failures of both the socialists and the former UMP, people will turn to fringe parties.
Whilst the prospect of a far-right rise is indeed very disturbing, it might be the kick up the backside the established parties need to address these issues head on rather than shying away from them and pretending they don't exist. Economically Greece is still in big trouble, and culturally Sweden already looks like a lost cause.
Funnily enough, your TSR name is also a big contributor to this rise. It's almost as though people don't like to be called racist for not embracing the norms of backwards cultures in the name of multiculturalism.
It's not "TSR fasicsts" who are to blame for this. It's naive moralising leaders who could not see the obvious flaw in grouping clashing cultures together in the same country.
This rise reflects the failure of moderate establishment countries to adequately tackle economic woes, the migration crisis and various other issues. The Front National in France for example tend to identify the right issues but fail to find the right solutions. Given the inidstinguishable failures of both the socialists and the former UMP, people will turn to fringe parties.
Whilst the prospect of a far-right rise is indeed very disturbing, it might be the kick up the backside the established parties need to address these issues head on rather than shying away from them and pretending they don't exist. Economically Greece is still in big trouble, and culturally Sweden already looks like a lost cause.
Funnily enough, your TSR name is also a big contributor to this rise. It's almost as though people don't like to be called racist for not embracing the norms of backwards cultures in the name of multiculturalism.
It's not "TSR fasicsts" who are to blame for this. It's naive moralising leaders who could not see the obvious flaw in grouping clashing cultures together in the same country.
So Europeans defending themselves in the face of policy's which were forced on to them is now called 'fascism'? haha. I suppose Gandi was a fascist for kicking all the Brits out of India, oh, no, wait...he's celebrated as a nation hero.
Greece can't afford nor can they exist under the demands on a imposed multicultural policys which doesn't embrace Greece, buy rejects them. Multiculturalism has been fighting against us for years.
If people do not react then we wouldn't be human beings but robots. It's clearly people like you who are fascists as you don't recognize people their own space on a big bloody planet. It's human nature to defend your country against suicidal policys, good on them for being human and shame on you.
Now, go and demand mass immigration for the non-western world, hypocrite.
(edited 8 years ago)
Original post by Mathemagicien
I just thought I'd summarise the surge in popularity of far-right parties across Europe.
In France, the Front National recieved almost 28% of the vote in the December elections, and are polling even stronger since then. Surprisingly, of those who voted, 30% of people aged under 35 voted for the FN in the last elections.In Poland, the Law and Justice Party won almost 40% of the vote in 2015, and is now the governing party.
In Denmark, the Danish People's Party took over 21% of the vote in 2015.
In Germany, the Alternativ fur Deutschland took 15% of the vote in the state elections over three states. http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3950437 stealing voters from both the ruling centre-right CDU, and the far-left Die Linke. It took only around 5% of the vote as recently as 2014.In Sweden, the Swedish Democrats (Yellow) went from 5% in 2011 to around 18% today, overtaking the Greens as the 3rd largest party.In Austria, the Freedom Party has now been polling over 20% for many months, and won over 32% of the vote in Vienna. It is roughly neck and neck with the Green party, as one of the two largest parties.In Greece, the Golden Dawn party won over 7% of the vote in last year's elections. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/21/neo-fascist-greek-party-election-golden-dawn-third-place
In the UK, UKIP won over 12% of the votes in the 2015 general elections, overtaking the Liberal Democrats. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results
In Italy, the Northern League (green) is polling around 15%, from under 5% in most of 2015.In Slovakia, all parties are far right, but the furthest far right party took 8% of the voteIn Hungary, again, all parties are far right, but the furthest far right party Jobbik took 20% of the vote in the last elections, and actually has seen their support decrease, after the ruling party has taken a hard stance against the refugees.
In the Netherlands, the Party for Freedom (grey) is the most popular party with around 35% support in the polls, over 10% above all other parties.
In France, the Front National recieved almost 28% of the vote in the December elections, and are polling even stronger since then. Surprisingly, of those who voted, 30% of people aged under 35 voted for the FN in the last elections.
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In Denmark, the Danish People's Party took over 21% of the vote in 2015.
In Germany, the Alternativ fur Deutschland took 15% of the vote in the state elections over three states. http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3950437 stealing voters from both the ruling centre-right CDU, and the far-left Die Linke. It took only around 5% of the vote as recently as 2014.
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In the UK, UKIP won over 12% of the votes in the 2015 general elections, overtaking the Liberal Democrats. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results
In Italy, the Northern League (green) is polling around 15%, from under 5% in most of 2015.
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In the Netherlands, the Party for Freedom (grey) is the most popular party with around 35% support in the polls, over 10% above all other parties.
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It's a protest vote. Nobody is listening so they have no choice
Instead of letting millions of "refugees" In to Europe make them go back & assist in making their countries better instead of over throwing so called dictatorships just to appease the western governments like USA, UK, France!
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Original post by Mathemagicien
I just thought I'd summarise the surge in popularity of far-right parties across Europe.
In France, the Front National recieved almost 28% of the vote in the December elections, and are polling even stronger since then. Surprisingly, of those who voted, 30% of people aged under 35 voted for the FN in the last elections.In Poland, the Law and Justice Party won almost 40% of the vote in 2015, and is now the governing party.
In Denmark, the Danish People's Party took over 21% of the vote in 2015.
In Germany, the Alternativ fur Deutschland took 15% of the vote in the state elections over three states. http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3950437 stealing voters from both the ruling centre-right CDU, and the far-left Die Linke. It took only around 5% of the vote as recently as 2014.In Sweden, the Swedish Democrats (Yellow) went from 5% in 2011 to around 18% today, overtaking the Greens as the 3rd largest party.In Austria, the Freedom Party has now been polling over 20% for many months, and won over 32% of the vote in Vienna. It is roughly neck and neck with the Green party, as one of the two largest parties.In Greece, the Golden Dawn party won over 7% of the vote in last year's elections. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/21/neo-fascist-greek-party-election-golden-dawn-third-place
In the UK, UKIP won over 12% of the votes in the 2015 general elections, overtaking the Liberal Democrats. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results
In Italy, the Northern League (green) is polling around 15%, from under 5% in most of 2015.In Slovakia, all parties are far right, but the furthest far right party took 8% of the voteIn Hungary, again, all parties are far right, but the furthest far right party Jobbik took 20% of the vote in the last elections, and actually has seen their support decrease, after the ruling party has taken a hard stance against the refugees.
In the Netherlands, the Party for Freedom (grey) is the most popular party with around 35% support in the polls, over 10% above all other parties.
In France, the Front National recieved almost 28% of the vote in the December elections, and are polling even stronger since then. Surprisingly, of those who voted, 30% of people aged under 35 voted for the FN in the last elections.
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In Denmark, the Danish People's Party took over 21% of the vote in 2015.
In Germany, the Alternativ fur Deutschland took 15% of the vote in the state elections over three states. http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3950437 stealing voters from both the ruling centre-right CDU, and the far-left Die Linke. It took only around 5% of the vote as recently as 2014.
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In the UK, UKIP won over 12% of the votes in the 2015 general elections, overtaking the Liberal Democrats. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results
In Italy, the Northern League (green) is polling around 15%, from under 5% in most of 2015.
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In the Netherlands, the Party for Freedom (grey) is the most popular party with around 35% support in the polls, over 10% above all other parties.
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Why do you lump any party that is against cultural genocide as far right?
Stopped reading at Law and Justice
It's a moderate Catholic social party...
It's a moderate Catholic social party...
Original post by Catholic_
So Europeans defending themselves in the face of policy's which were forced on to them is now called 'fascism'? haha. I suppose Gandi was a fascist for kicking all the Brits out of India, oh, no, wait...he's celebrated as a nation hero.
Greece can't afford nor can they exist under the demands on a imposed multicultural policys which doesn't embrace Greece, buy rejects them. Multiculturalism has been fighting against us for years.
If people do not react then we wouldn't be human beings but robots. It's clearly people like you who are fascists as you don't recognize people their own space on a big bloody planet. It's human nature to defend your country against suicidal policys, good on them for being human and shame on you.
Now, go and demand mass immigration for the non-western world, hypocrite.
Greece can't afford nor can they exist under the demands on a imposed multicultural policys which doesn't embrace Greece, buy rejects them. Multiculturalism has been fighting against us for years.
If people do not react then we wouldn't be human beings but robots. It's clearly people like you who are fascists as you don't recognize people their own space on a big bloody planet. It's human nature to defend your country against suicidal policys, good on them for being human and shame on you.
Now, go and demand mass immigration for the non-western world, hypocrite.
Golden Dawn are unquestionably fascists. They've openly expressed admiration for Nazi Germany and their policies are fascist. This isn't a slur, it's a fact.
https://xaameriki.wordpress.com/the-manifesto-of-golden-dawn/
Their policies are fascist, it's not a slur or an opinion. It's a fact
I'm no fan of mass immigration or multiculturalism myself, but nor do I believe Golden Dawn are the answer.
And an angry, vaguely incoherent rant isn't going to change my view on that.
Original post by Multiculturalism
I hope you TSR fascists are happy now!
This makes me ashamed to be European
This makes me ashamed to be European
Whilst I wouldn't vote for any of these parties...you seem almost shocked by these results.
People have different opinions to you, get over it.
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