That viewpoint doesn't take into account individual differences - yes, you as a person might be able to slog through it but that doesn't mean another person, feeling similar things as you will feel as though they're able to?
That viewpoint doesn't take into account individual differences - yes, you as a person might be able to slog through it but that doesn't mean another person, feeling similar things as you will feel as though they're able to?
Well, then they are being cowardly. If they cannot resist the suicidal thoughts.
Well, then they are being cowardly. If they cannot resist the suicidal thoughts.
Suicide isn't cowardly and neither are suicidal thoughts. Tbh suicide must be the scariest thing you can do so to actually go through with it is brave (if very sad and upsetting) in my opinion. Not encouraging it of course in anyway shape of form but you shouldn't just wash over people's feelings like that
Suicide isn't cowardly and neither are suicidal thoughts. Tbh suicide must be the scariest thing you can do so to actually go through with it is brave (if very sad and upsetting) in my opinion. Not encouraging it of course in anyway shape of form but you shouldn't just wash over people's feelings like that
I think holocaust survivors probably went through worse than suicide
I think holocaust survivors probably went through worse than suicide
and your point? both are awful but incomparable to each other. problems are relative, to someone something seemingly minor might be huge to them and even to them worth ending their life. that is just as valid as something very horrific like the holocaust
and your point? both are awful but incomparable to each other. problems are relative, to someone something seemingly minor might be huge to them and even to them worth ending their life. that is just as valid as something very horrific like the holocaust
No problems are somewhat absolute. Stubbing your toe on a table is different from being gassed.
Because they allow the irrationailty of the mind take over their body
But again; this is very easy to say when you're thinking rationally. It's very easy for me to say when thinking rationally but you know as well as I do; that when you're in that place, suicide becomes very rational
But again; this is very easy to say when you're thinking rationally. It's very easy for me to say when thinking rationally but you know as well as I do; that when you're in that place, suicide becomes very rational
Well, then surely a person should be able to stop themselves reaching that point by their will? I was able to.
Well, then surely a person should be able to stop themselves reaching that point by their will? I was able to.
I go back to the 'individual differences' thing; just because you or I were able to, doesn't mean every other single person will be able to? You make this seem all very easy and simplistic by saying someone should be able to stop themselves reaching that point :/
I go back to the 'individual differences' thing; just because you or I were able to, doesn't mean every other single person will be able to? You make this seem all very easy and simplistic by saying someone should be able to stop themselves reaching that point :/
Then surely their inability to do that demonstrates a lack of will, and thus cowardice?
No problems are somewhat absolute. Stubbing your toe on a table is different from being gassed.
Noone is going to kill themselves over something so minor though and i think you know that... say someone lost their job, yeah compared to 'being gassed' you could say that is somewhat minor but it would completely obliterate their world to the point of killing themselves then it was obviously hugely important to them and that should be respected. you can't talk for all problems as noone has ever experienced all issues in life
Noone is going to kill themselves over something so minor though and i think you know that... say someone lost their job, yeah compared to 'being gassed' you could say that is somewhat minor but it would completely obliterate their world to the point of killing themselves then it was obviously hugely important to them and that should be respected. you can't talk for all problems as noone has ever experienced all issues in life
Then why claim that problems are relative then when I have provided a reason where they are not?
Yes, and I would say that somebody who kills themselves over something like that demonstrates a lack of will.
Then surely their inability to do that demonstrates a lack of will, and thus cowardice?
I don't think you're taking into account how powerful suicidal ideations are and you're also suggesting that you can just press a button to stop yourself feeling this way - by saying people should be able to stop themselves
I don't think you're taking into account how powerful suicidal ideations are and you're also suggesting that you can just press a button to stop yourself feeling this way - by saying people should be able to stop themselves
I know how powerful feelings are, but as I said, you resist regardless. Where do I suggest you can stop the feeling? You persist, thats the whole point of will.
Well, then surely a person should be able to stop themselves reaching that point by their will? I was able to.
You've obviously never had any experience with a mental illness. That's fine and dandy - but it also means that you're not able to empathise with suicidal people. It's understandable though that some people won't "get" it due to never having experienced it. Most people who attempt, or worse, complete suicide are people who have been through suicidal thoughts for months or years. It doesn't go away in a day like in your case.