The EU Out Campaign really amounts to Gove, Duncan-Smith and Norfolk

I found a couple of quotes from you expressing scepticism about the polling before last year's general election.

I agree with your analysis, but isn't it more a case of people wanting their cake and eat it? The cheap fruit and veg goes down well in the shops, but people don't like to accept that picking it requires large numbers of cheap young foreign workers, working in conditions they would not accept. Averting their gaze from these issues, the good right wing citizens of E. Anglia complete their hypocrisy and callous swagger by constantly dissing the young migrants who make their lifestyle just a bit easier, giving their votes to posturing toads like Farage and Duncan Smith, who in reality don't give a damn for the white working class of Essex and Norfolk.

It's disgusting stuff when you get close and analyse it. I don't know how intelligent people like Gove can sleep nights as they use this nasty reactionary anger to serve their own private careerist aims.

Interesting map from YouGov today showing where the Out votes are concentrated geographically.



It would appear that so far the likes of Michael Gove, Ian Duncan-Smith and other assorted right wing headbangers and morons (I'll raise you a Farage for your Hannan) have only succeeded in persuading E. Anglia and Essex that Leaving is the right way to go.

What a surprise.

I feel really bloody annoyed that we are going to have to put up with another two months of their blather for absolutely no benefit to anyone except a few Tory and UKIP battered egos, serving a definitely minority opinion. Even then they won't give up of course.

I assume this will soon become another Neverendum, like the one in Scotland. It shouldn't even be a national referendum - weak leadership by the Tories.

I can't tell either way whether Gove believes it. He is going against his allies in the government so that suggests there is something there. He did invoke a similar conspiratorial tone when talking about "the Blob" of teachers' unions. He's a bit of a kook whichever way you look at it.

Boris in my view is the most brazen opportunist in the Out camp. One wonders how much he made shorting the pound in the run-up to making his grand declaration of support for Brexit in the Telegraph.

I do not share your contempt for the attitudes of the Easterners. Remember this is not just middle class right wingers sho should know better, to get high(er) polling it must be working class people too. I can't see that their main political calculation hinges on the price of picking fruit versus the price of that fruit in Tesco. It's probably just that they can't get a job and blame it on these immigrants.

My scorn is reserved for the cosseted ageing Brexiters of the Home Counties who haven't had an encounter with the real world since they had kids 40 years ago, and who continue to express their repressed sociopathy by voting in with thumping majorities callous, charmless terriers like Tebbit and IDS.

The rural regions of the UK wil be singing a very different tune once they realise how dependent they are on EU allocations, particularly in Cornwall, and how unprepared Whitehall (always) is to give anything to them other than holiday homes at London prices.

It's the reverse. London is mainly voting In and E. Anglia is mainly thinly populated and rural.

One of the most aggravating things about the current round of political distraction from the economic situation is that the agenda is being driven by places like Essex which are grossly unrepresentative of the country as a whole. Basically it's the reactionaries serving up racism as a tool to manipulate us into permanent Tory government. If there's an Out vote then Scotland will leave the union and Tory Government Eternal becomes a reality.

Interesting map from YouGov today showing where the Out votes are concentrated geographically.

Ahh, I seem to have been mistaken. London was the exception anyway. My stupid head matched constituency size with population density...

(or maybe I was looking at this map, very similar)

So, the most eurosceptic votes are in the most industrialised regions, the areas with the higest amount of educated people.. so the most forwarder regions of the UK.

THe most europhilic are multicultural hellholes with high amouth of islamists. Nice that we established this fact.

My scorn is reserved for the cosseted ageing Brexiters of the Home Counties who haven't had an encounter with the real world since they had kids 40 years ago, and who continue to express their repressed sociopathy by voting in with thumping majorities callous, charmless terriers like Tebbit and IDS.

Not really, all of the leading Brexiteers constantly harp on about immigration, which is a subtitle in this country for race and a push-button for reaction.

They ignore the obvious, which is that mass inward migration will be equally difficult to control outside the EU, not least because the French will be even less cooperative about things than they currently (grudgingly) are.

I'm a Londoner who's voting out. Are there any ethnic minorities wanting to voting out?

We need to leave the EU, deport all Muslims and drop the government out a plane on top of ISIS.

We need to leave the EU, deport all Muslims and drop the government out a plane on top of ISIS..

It does seem in poor taste. Here are some unpopular politicians. The have the opposing view. This is why you should make this decision.

And they've missed out the most influential Out campaigner

Sounds legit. And by legit I mean too convenient and probably completely made up.
A bit like how Democrats in America completely flat out made up that Trump once said in 1998, 'If I were to run, I’d run as a Republican. They’re the dumbest group of voters in the country. They believe anything on Fox News. I could lie and they’d still eat it up. I bet my numbers would be terrific'

Are you sure you've been listening to the majority of brexiters and not just zoning out unless it's Farage?

I also question somewhat the results, as in what is the basis of the data?

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Sounds legit. And by legit I mean too convenient and probably completely made up.
A bit like how Democrats in America completely flat out made up that Trump once said in 1998, 'If I were to run, I’d run as a Republican. They’re the dumbest group of voters in the country. They believe anything on Fox News. I could lie and they’d still eat it up. I bet my numbers would be terrific'

It sounds like Trump though. I mean, he probably did say something close to that, there just wasn't a microphone around at the time.

What have you got against Norfolk? My family is from Norfolk, and although I've never been there it looks lovely on Google Images:


You are just a hater.