National Union of Students elects Malia Bouattia as president.

I've come across a black Palestinian. He would be extremely offended at a white person telling him that he is not entitled to be a "black Arab" because this white man, in his self-aggrandizing arrogance, has never seen a black Arab/berber before.

Yes, Moslem. That is what I said, but it isn't relevant in this context. Her superstitious beliefs are not under discussion.

I have never come across a black Berber or Arab, which, as far as I am aware are not normally described as black races.

If I am wrong perhaps you can furnish me with the names of a few black Arabs or Berbers, together with a link to a picture.

I don't know about Berbers but by definition there are no black Arabs...

Also the headline is/was 'First black Muslim woman NUS president' and in the article it is stated:



An earlier version of the article also tells us that in October 2014 she was the NUS black student officer.

No. I was suggesting that there was error both in the argument frequently put forward by the Israelis that anti-Zionism equals anti-semitism and also in the argument often put forward on the left that they are never being anti-semitic when being anti-Zionist.

Consideration of the position of special groups within the wider debate, like the ideology of Jews living outside Israel, is in my experience often used by the Israelis and their supporters on the right to blow confusion into the issue. Not all Jews internationally support all Israeli government policies, but the Likud would like to equate that with "self-hating" as if Jews must by definition be Zionists, which is kind of racist in itself, to take it to the extreme.

Initially, I heard about them cheering (or is it jazz-handing now?) not supporting Holocaust Memorial Day, but tbh, I think in this case, they aren't being outrageously idiotic. I listened to the speech, and it was more focussed on how other atrocities should not be ignored, such as the Rwandan genocide, and that there should be a Genocide Memorial Day to remember all genocides. Tbh I agree with this.

Significant minority populations of Afro-Arabs can also be found in other parts of the Arab world,^[1][2] principally in North Africa's Egypt and Morocco due to their proximity to the Afro-Arab heartland, as well as West Asia's Yemen andSaudi Arabia which are separated from Africa only by the narrow Bab-el-Mandeb (Mandeb Strait) in the Red Sea.
In Yemen and Saudi Arabia, Afro-Arabs arose due to historical events, including the Arab slave trade, which brought Sub-Saharan Africans into the Arabian Peninsula. In Yemen especially, apart from the large minority population officially classified as Afro-Arab, recent genetic findings have indicated that the remainder of that country's Arab population (which is deemed not to be Afro-Arab) is nevertheless also admixed with Sub-Saharan African ancestry to a lesser, although still significant, degree.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_Arabs

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Arab identity is based on one or more of

waving arms around could easily trigger sensitive delegates. instead the committee have introduced a special arm gesture to indicate lack of support for Shoah Memorial Day.

The key thing in this debate is, does disliking Zionism = anti-semitism?

I'm not sure what your point is. I have already explained that I haven't been talking about so-called "identity", which does not reflect the real world. I could identify as a teapot but it wouldn't make me one.

Those Sudanese Arabs are just Arabs. They themselves are not black. The article you linked demonstrates the fact that they gain their genetic make-up from mainly Eurasian sources (i.e. they are descended from Arab migrants from Arabia), not African ones.

Because there's a difference. Terrorism is deliberate attacks on civilians with the intent of causing terror among the civilian population. Armed resistance is any form of resistance involving weapons.

So you are saying that knifing random Jewish passers by on the street ISN'T a "deliberate attack on civilians with the intent of causing terror among the civilian population"?

You posit a distinction without a difference.

Tbh, I do wonder which ideology Hitler would join if he were alive today; far-right or far-left?

Did she specifically say she supported knifing random Jewish passers by on the street as part of armed resistance, or are you just making a strawman inference?

The NUS needs to lose its formal association with universities. If it were an "opt-in" organisation that had to raise funds directly from member subscriptions, practically no one would join.

Tbh, I do wonder which ideology Hitler would join if he were alive today; far-right or far-left?

Seriously?

Do you believe in the real world everyone has to have their ancestry genetically analysed before they can identify with one particular group?

You do realise that colour (including Black) is simply a matter of pigmentation?

Shallow people can't get their heads around the fact that "black" is more than colour

Hmmm.....