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username2191987

Well said please God why can there not be more like you who see the real motives behind EU immigration from the point of view of those who control (or rather don't control) it, politicians on behalf of their party paymasters the multinational companies in search of ever increasing profits out of a working mans wage packet.

As I understand it, woman also work nowadays. Sorry to have to be the bearer of bad news.

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KimKallstrom

Original post by RussellG

£14 an hour for lorry drivers sounds overpaid tbh. It's higher than the hourly wages for Mechanical Engineers (Median £10.00, Range £6.44 - £22.11) and Aerospace Engineers (Median £13.00, Range £6.70 - £35.87).

Try driving through Calais as a lorry driver then tell us they're overpaid

Reply 102

username2228735

Original post by Comedy_Gold

It is a case of hiring imported cheap labour with the same skills as a uk worker but costing less wages to hire them. You can change the skill level to whichever degree you want and this still applies, obvious isnt it?

This is not what the initial statement implied.

Reply 103

Maker

Original post by Betelgeuse-

Spain and Portugal have like over 50% youth employment. Their struggles are not because they do not have enough working immigrants to pick oranges or package paella.

Why should the country be held hostage by the lowest paid and lowest tax earners who use the NHS, Schools and so forth?

If u want dog eat dog.. capitalism is great.. fine lets be consistent then and have no welfare state, no NHS, privatise everything

The fact is people hate the working class, born poor, born thick and you judge them for that and have no quarrels with them getting shafted as evidenced by numerous attitudes itt. Same idiots who would rush to inconsistently defend somebody born disabled or ugly no doubt.

A lot of people are lazy, unreliable and would rather get drunk then get a job. I don't give a monkeys if these people are jobless because no one will employ them even if there are jobs.

If immigrants want jobs and there are people who want to give them jobs, good luck to them.

Reply 104

RussellG

Original post by KimKallstrom

Try driving through Calais as a lorry driver then tell us they're overpaid

Yes, it is hard. I don't mean to underestimate their physically tough environment.

However, in the same way other jobs are also tough. You can also try studying math, mechanics, physics etc at some engineering school like Imperial, and working at some manufacturing company like Mini, Bentley, Airbus etc, then tell us whether lorry driver are worth being paid more than such engineers or not.

In the US, for example, mechanical engineers are paid $26 an hour, and aerospace engineers are paid $33 an hour. Whereas lorry drivers are paid $17 an hour. Although different country has different supply and demand, it's quite unlikely lorry drivers are paid more than those jobs. Because it's much harder to find/become qualified mechanical/aerospace engineers than qualified lorry drivers.

Reply 105

HOLA255

We don't have an economic problem at the moment. What are you on about?

Reply 106

Betelgeuse-

Original post by Maker

Thats a total kop out... I have argued why its immoral and unethical and your response is basically to blame them as being lazy and unreliable so you can justify it to yourself.

I mean talk about completely validating my point earlier in the thread about how people have such bitter hatred for the unskilled and working class.

"A lot of immigrants are lazy, unreliable and would rather get drunk than get a job"

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Reply 107

Maker

Original post by Betelgeuse-

I don't hate the working class, lots of people are unemployed because they are slobs but thats the truth. If you don't like the truth, stick your head in the sand.

Reply 108

ikhan94

Original post by JordanL_

EU migrants are unequivocally good for the UK. They're more educated and fill skilled jobs that the native population can't.

Unemployment has been going down for a while. If you're getting outcompeted by people who don't even speak English as a first language, maybe you should've tried harder in school.

BIG MAN TING you should be a politician

Reply 109

username2191987

Original post by JordanL_

I feel like my original reply was too dismissive, and I apologise for that.

It's a fair point that even graduates can struggle to get employed. But that's because degrees are common now. It's fairly normal to go to uni, and having a degree won't (and shouldn't) guarantee a job. There are a lot more factors that separate the great candidates from the good. People shouldn't be just going to uni and getting a degree, because that's the bare minimum now. People should aim for better universities, better degrees, and to better themselves outside of their degree too. Competition is good because it encourages this, and I don't think it's fair to stifle competition just because some people don't want to compete.

Your point is rather good. I know loads of Romanian students and they systematically take advantage of everything offered to them by the university: near 100% attendance, English lessons, study skills, volunteering and one or two part time jobs. They leave with a 2:1 or better. Then I see some English students who don't get up for lectures that start at 0900 (too early) or late ones that start at 1500 (too late). They resist volunteering to get new skills (it's boring, or I am too busy) and don't even know what the potential job vacancies are. They hardly engage in 1:1 sessions with lecturers.

If you want a job you need experience and you can get that from volunteering or doing part time jobs, after all: most university towns contain plenty of employers who want part timers and there are tens of thousands of volunteering posts that only need a small commitment every week. You also need a go-getting attitude and maturity but I would not say that I see that in more than 75% of English students.

If I were an employer I would probably go for a bi- or tri-lingual Romanian self starter with a 2-1 than a self absorbed loser with a 3rd. Wouldn't you? It's ALL in the CV, and if the CV makes you look like a loser then you probably are one.

Reply 110

swanderfeild

Original post by _icecream

What a silly thing to say....you do realize that when there is an oversupply of labor from the continent companies can get away with paying a very low wage...and dish out ZHC...
Companies make £££££ profit as a result of exploiting people!

Only way they'd be able to do this is because British government permits it; nothing to do with migrants who like local people are competing in open market.
Only way anyone (migrant or otherwise) is taking your job should get is because of one or more of following:-
1. They are better qualified: suck it up and take advantage of training programs
2. They are better connected: life ain't fair
3. They take lower compensation:

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a. You're overpaid: either go for better job or take pay cut
b. Minimum wage is low: campaign to increase minimum wage

No one is entitled to a job; it is a free market and people regardless of their nationality are free to compete with basics such as minimum wage and employee rights set by the sate.

Reply 111

karl pilkington

If they stopped immigration this would be a problem

Reply 112

MonsoonFlower

Original post by Dann.It

They're not 'taking' jobs as you say. They're just more qualified for the job, as opposed to the average British person. You think an employer should just employ you just because of the fact that you're British? Even though you're not qualified enough for the job, and thus unable to do it? :colonhash:

Exactly. It should be about whether you have the ability to do the job or not. Yes you were born and bred in this country - BUT do you have the right skills for any particular job for example remaining calm when being under pressure, and speak confidently to other people face to face and on the phone?

Original post by Maker

A lot of people are lazy, unreliable and would rather get drunk then get a job. I don't give a monkeys if these people are jobless because no one will employ them even if there are jobs.If immigrants want jobs and there are people who want to give them jobs, good luck to them.

Saying from experience of recruiting British workers (I'm in hospitality industry), most of them (especially men) would rather go to a football match or just regularly call in sick or make some pathetic excuse just not to come in. This is the case often especially when it's their first day they are supposed to work.

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Reply 113

viffer

Original post by JordanL_

It's a fair point that even graduates can struggle to get employed. But that's because degrees are common now. It's fairly normal to go to uni, and having a degree won't (and shouldn't) guarantee a job. There are a lot more factors that separate the great candidates from the good. People shouldn't be just going to uni and getting a degree, because that's the bare minimum now. People should aim for better universities, better degrees, and to better themselves outside of their degree too. Competition is good because it encourages this, and I don't think it's fair to stifle competition just because some people don't want to compete.